Another new Brexit thread

[Chris in London]

You might be right on that point. Is the same true for blended whiskey? I was looking up some figures, were talking about a roughly 4.5 billion $ worth export industry of which blended whiskey takes about 3 billion.

Undeniably though the 2 largest destinatios for export are the USA and Europe by far and it looks like the industry might be hit in both markets. I left it up for discussion just how much this would hurt given that a 25% tarrif slap seemed significant, youre input is welcome.

Less so for blended whisky than single malts etc I’d agree, but there’s still a quality issue, and to a certain extent a snob value. It’s why in the British Isles we talk about whisky (or whiskey) whereas in the US they call it Scotch. They are making the point that it’s Scottish.

I’d expect the blended whiskies to be affected more than the really high end products, but again this is one sector where I’d expect that the imposition of a tariff will have less of an adverse impact than a lesser tariff would have in many other sectors.

Put simply, the Americans who make the choice to drink Scotch in the first place will probably keep drinking scotch even if it’s 25% more expensive. An American manufacturer who buys British widgets may think twice about still buying them if they are suddenly made 10% more expensive.

 

[Metal Biker]

Because Scotland and only guessing but Wales too would not be fine with N. Ireland being part of the EU customs union and not themselves. A large part of English businesses would also be against it.
Whilst a border in the North Sea would see a large section of the N Ireland population up in arms. The DUP are no damp squib in this parliament and are still pulling Tory strings.

Wales and Scotland don't share a land border with any European country. They are part of Great Britain along with England.

If either of them and their citizens feel that strongly about it, they can request a referendum to leave the United Kingdom and join the EU's Customs Union as an independant nation. England has no rights to be kept in the EU against it's will, yet you're suggesting they should because Scotland doesn't want to leave. Quite selfish.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

They are just a wrecking mob, like the Brexit MEPs - following a one club separatist agenda for which they have no mandate. When and if Scotland votes for independence good luck to them but until then these republicans should be honest about their allegiances and stay away like Sinn Fein. (Although then going on to wreck their own devolved government like SF is not to be encouraged.)

I think you'll find the DUP are playing a major part in wrecking their devolved government. They're not on their own there.

 

[grunge]

The one's in early 2016, where Cameron looked for reforms and was pretty much told "just veto the things you don't like".

To those of us who didn't want to just be told "just veto", we wanted Europe to reform, it was deemed a failure and instrumental in people's decision to leave as it was clear the EU wasn't prepared to listen to us.

you mean these ones? where he got pretty much everything he asked for?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35622105

and yes I know people will fob it off cos its the BBC but its covered in lots of places.

its strange mind you as I do recall the overall media coverage was negative at the time.

or are these other negotiations?

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Gove just tore starmar a new arsehole then.

 

[Metal Biker]

Brexit isn’t fit for purpose with regard to the GFA. So either bin Brexit or NI remains in the EU economic zone. Choose one.

NI remains in the EU Customs Union, something the people of NI are perfectly fine with, if the polls and feedback is to be believed.

Job done.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

It's a shit trick to pull a still from a televised interview to make someone look daft.
It's a similarly shit trick to try to infer someone has mental health issues using that image as reference.
I thought it was only Leavers who believed what we were fed.

Don’t you think being a pathological liar constitutes a mental health issue, Gaylord?

 

[George Hannah]

That’s your best yet, George.

Undeniable, a remain victory would have passed with barely a political ripple. I did consider "without much complaint" but fortunately went with the shorter version of the facts and gained your gold star too. Happy days.

 

[robbieh]

Just read some dimwit Brexit MEP suggesting France, Italy and Spain want out.

Fascist Salvini, and he is, may want out but he hardly represents Italy as a whole.

Spain? LMAO. Absolutely no one is thinking a long those lines.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

But it is interesting what even the threat of a No-Deal outcome leads to

I know that you do not want it - no sensible person should - but neither should we be afraid of that path if the alternative is so ruinous to the UK - either Remaining or May's deal

But forget that

Just look at the changes in confidence of the Remain parties in the UK - the dramatically lowered bluster from the EU

Even posters on here are suggesting 'compromises' as if they have never ever previously been of the arrogant mind that Brexit will get stopped and they can say I told you so.....

Seriously - even it's outside risk of occurring has a serious impact on the many groups

Keep it alive and the EU will settle on a compromise around the current offering

I still think Brexit will be stopped. There is no way we will ever leave on a no deal basis - the only option brexiteers are now pushing.

Given it is now no deal or no brexit - what do you want to see happen.

 

[BobKowalski]

NI remains in the EU Customs Union, something the people of NI are perfectly fine with, if the polls and feedback is to be believed.

Job done.

A hard core of Unionists are not as it separates NI from mainland Britain. NI doesn’t work on majoritarian basis. It works on a consent basis. Either everyone buys in or no one buys in. The only thing that has worked so far is U.K. and RoI having EU membership thereby allowing no barriers or borders North/South and East/West.

This fundamental problem will not go away or resolve itself. Something has to give. It’s not even just about trade. It's about identity.

 

[Metal Biker]

you mean these ones? where he got pretty much everything he asked for?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35622105

That's a rather... inaccurate summation of what some of the public felt! The two main ones being...

Sovereignty: What the UK (hereby refered to as "we") wanted.
For the EU to cease with the push for a federal Europe and "ever closer union".

The response: "We're doing it, but the UK can opt out of it".

Conclusion: NOT what we wanted. The EU was still advocating becoming federal at some point in the future, further excluding us from the bloc, unless we relented. Not cool Tusk.

Economic Governance: What UK wanted, "recognise the Pound as equal validity as a European Currency as the Euro!"

Response: "We're the Eurozone, dude, we don't care about the Pound"

Conclusion: Not the best sort of response, but understandable. The EU is all about the Eurozone at present. Makes the rest of us who don't use it feel a little forgotten about, though. Which was kind of the point to the request of reforms; make Europe more inclusive of members, and not this "Europe is EU" mentality.

The question we wanted to know was this; is the European Union, a union of 28 member states, with an equal voice, all for the prosperity of it's citizens, retaining sovereignty, or a bloc of 17 members sharing the same currency, economy, political aspects and 9 others? Turns out it was, according to Tusk, the latter.

 

[Metal Biker]

A hard core of Unionists are not as it separates NI from mainland Britain. NI doesn’t work on majoritarian basis. It works on a consent basis. Either everyone buys in or no one buys in. The only thing that has worked so far is U.K. and RoI having EU membership thereby allowing no barriers or borders North/South and East/West.

This fundamental problem will not go away or resolve itself. Something has to give. It’s not even just about trade. It's about identity.

Wait, those were the two options you gave and I chose the second one. You said nothing about a "but..."

 

[jay_mcfc]

The EU reforms where the EU told Cameron and the UK to fuck off? Yeah, ok.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/feb/19/camerons-eu-deal-what-he-wanted-and-what-he-got

 

[Len Rum]

Gove just tore starmar a new arsehole then.

It's 'Starmer' mate, or is that just your Mancunian accent showing through?

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Live and work in Scotland and have done for the last 8 years.

Majority are fantastic people, welcoming and much like the majority dont discuss independance or brexit.

Unfortunately there is a group that always will and their anti English rhetoric pours from them.

I refer to those as the bitter fuckers with huge chips on their shoulders and they are best exemplified by their representatives in Westminster.

Nasty little Nationalists and remainers to boot.

Imagine that?

Not trying to be inflammatory BI, but what is your stance on English Nationalism then. Genuine question.

Surely the only vehicle open to elected Scottish nationalist is to influence where they can in Westminster. It is heavily weighted against them.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Not entirely convinced they will. Most will put party loyalty above everything else. And with a GE looming, the tone of which will be framed round the message below.

It will be an MPs patriotic duty to back Johnson anything else will be treason and we will torch relations with 27 countries for a generation or two.

Fuck me, that’s hilarious.

 

[BobKowalski]

Wait, those were the two options you gave and I chose the second one. You said nothing about a "but..."

There is always a ‘but’ with NI.

This matter is not getting resolved in a month of Sunday’s let alone by this Friday.

 

[blueinsa]

Gove just tore starmar a new arsehole then.

Didn't watch it and politics aside, he is the standout performer at the despatch box by a mile.

 

[Metal Biker]

There is always a ‘but’ with NI.

This matter is getting resolved in a month of Sunday’s let alone by this Friday.

Not if people aren't willing to compromise.