Another new Brexit thread

[mcfc1632]

I can vouch with this - I work for a US firm and regularly discuss the similarity between the Trump vote and the brexit vote. We tend to agree they are not the brightest and both are massively damaging our countries.

Different strokes and all that....

Just arrived back from Cyprus where the vast majority of UK people are now stronger about leaving - even if no deal is necessary

And these are people with real skin in the came - not just observers

 

[Ban-jani]

Shame you don't come across like that on here.

GDM is liked pretty universally on Bluemoon and is about as reasonable as one can get on here.

The fact you think that makes everyone realise what you’re all about.

 

[hilts]

And that makes you think a deal is incoming?

OK.

BTW are you going to offer odds, again?

;-)


Nearly. This was a more of a "Georgie".



That stinks.

Mackerel is the worst I find

 

[George Hannah]

The state of the EU

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

They are perfectly entitled to hide behind the EU, that’s what the EU is for, to protect its members. We too could hide behind them if we hadn’t decided to leave.

Anyway, they haven’t played billy big bollocks, they’ve been the opposite of the leave voice in Britain, that did actually play billy big bollocks.

The Irish issue on the border has been criminally ignored since 2015 and the GFA is at a real risk now because of hard line Brexiteers.

Ireland, as the EU have, have specifically asked Johnson to come up with an alternative to the backstop, that doesn’t compromise the GFA, and he hasn’t managed it.

His offering is purposefully weak and he didn’t expect to get them to agree.

the Irish Courts have ruled on this...

https://www.politicshome.com/news/u...rthern-ireland-court-throws-out-claim-no-deal

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Fear not, a deal will mean you wont step in anything nasty.

I fear the only deal that will satisfy the ERG and the DUP will be one that will go down very badly in NI and Ireland too.
But at least England will be sorted eh?

At this stage the best deal for the DUP is a no deal. But that will be a catastrophe as you’ve said and they will be blamed in NI.

I don’t know what will happen over the next week but I don’t think Varadkar will agree to anything that does not have support in the North, which is as it should be.
So far the North chose to stay in the EU, then agreed with the backstop, and disagreed with the UK gov’s proposal last week.

So the other options are to threaten them and us with no deal, threaten to ruin ours and the Northern economies.

Diplomacy is great isn’t it.

 

[blueinsa]

I fear the only deal that will satisfy the ERG and the DUP will be one that will go down very badly in NI and Ireland too.
But at least England will be sorted eh?

At this stage the best deal for the DUP is a no deal. But that will be a catastrophe as you’ve said and they will be blamed in NI.

I don’t know what will happen over the next week but I don’t think Varadkar will agree to anything that does not have support in the North, which is as it should be.
So far the North chose to stay in the EU, then agreed with the backstop, and disagreed with the UK gov’s proposal last week.

So the other options are to threaten them and us with no deal, threaten to ruin ours and the Northern economies.

Diplomacy is great isn’t it.

ERG will fall into line imo and the DUP will take their usual bribe.

 

[hilts]

The state of the EU

Your question is uncomfortable to us let’s move on and pretend it never happened.

 

[Ban-jani]

the Irish Courts have ruled on this...

https://www.politicshome.com/news/u...rthern-ireland-court-throws-out-claim-no-deal

No they haven’t, they’ve ruled on no deal Brexit as a thing, rather than what will follow.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

I fear the only deal that will satisfy the ERG and the DUP will be one that will go down very badly in NI and Ireland too.
But at least England will be sorted eh?

At this stage the best deal for the DUP is a no deal. But that will be a catastrophe as you’ve said and they will be blamed in NI.

I don’t know what will happen over the next week but I don’t think Varadkar will agree to anything that does not have support in the North, which is as it should be.
So far the North chose to stay in the EU, then agreed with the backstop, and disagreed with the UK gov’s proposal last week.

So the other options are to threaten them and us with no deal, threaten to ruin ours and the Northern economies.

Diplomacy is great isn’t it.

there are a lot more mps on the opposition benches than the dup and erg so it should get through

wait it’s the tories proposing it so probably not , you know just for the sake of it

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

No they haven’t, they’ve ruled on no deal Brexit as a thing, rather than what will follow.

It says no deal Brexit does not breach the good Friday agreement , it’s summarised for you in the headline

 

[Postman Pep]

Disagree.

Ireland solves it in a heartbeat.

The EU will do what Varadkar needs them to do and it involves a deal and no hard border.

Shame it's not so easy to solve Ireland in a heartbeat

 

[hilts]

I fear the only deal that will satisfy the ERG and the DUP will be one that will go down very badly in NI and Ireland too.
But at least England will be sorted eh?

At this stage the best deal for the DUP is a no deal. But that will be a catastrophe as you’ve said and they will be blamed in NI.

I don’t know what will happen over the next week but I don’t think Varadkar will agree to anything that does not have support in the North, which is as it should be.
So far the North chose to stay in the EU, then agreed with the backstop, and disagreed with the UK gov’s proposal last week.

So the other options are to threaten them and us with no deal, threaten to ruin ours and the Northern economies.

Diplomacy is great isn’t it.

Nothing like self interest when in a union eh?

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Well they need to be more pragmatic then don’t they instead of blocking everything all the time . It’s showtime .

Who?

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Who?

labour , Lib Dem’s , erg , snp, Plaid Cymru

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

I don’t know why you find that funny. I’m happy to leave on the terms you wish to, with a deal but English idiots have meant that Ireland are backed into a corner by taking a hard line approach.

English idiots being the Tory Party.

They’re the only ones to have threatened us, so I assumed that is who he meant in his post.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

labour , Lib Dem’s , erg , snp, Plaid Cymru

Thought that’s who you meant. Just checking though.

 

[mcfc1632]

Well if you all agree with each other then you must be right....

Class

 

[blueinsa]

there are a lot more mps on the opposition benches than the dup and erg so it should get through

wait it’s the tories proposing it so probably not , you know just for the sake of it

Every single vocal no to no deal MP will vote against any deal I will put money on it from the opposition benches.

 

[Postman Pep]

Different strokes and all that....

Just arrived back from Cyprus where the vast majority of UK people are now stronger about leaving - even if no deal is necessary

And these are people with real skin in the came - not just observers

Sooooo you was in Cyprus with a load of ex-pats of a certain vintage and you was observing some skin and you....