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Blue Hefner said:
It has not been ignored, has it? But for the sake of argument let’s pretend it has been. Let’s say some voter for a Norway option but are now being told we will now rip up 40years worth of agreements. I don’t think that’s acceptable - that is taking someone’s vote and taking liberties

On top of that it was an advisory referendum so they are free to ignore it if they wish. But like I said, I don’t accept it has been ignored. There is an offer on the table it’s just that some thought it left us worse off than we are now(as is an MPs right) and some thought it wasn’t Brexitey enough, which again is their right. Which leaves us where we are now

So now, we have two clear and obvious options. Rip everything up or stay as we are
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It’s pretty clear that we are arriving fast at the point where the only options are no deal and no Brexit. I’ve put this point to a number of people who would prefer to leave with a deal but are faced with having to choose between two options they don’t like. Those who have said they would prefer a no deal Brexit to no Brexit at all have, to a man, said that they would do so because to do otherwise would undermine democracy.

Quite apart from whether it would undermine democracy, I find it interesting that not one person has said that there is any sort of economic benefit, or constitutional advantage, or increase of sovereignty or anything.

In other words, the supposed advantages of Brexit have vanished from view. All that’s left is that Leave won.
 
BobKowalski said:
Again. The UK is a country not a company. We import a lot because we consume a lot. These imports have to be transported, stored and sold. This is done by people working in the U.K. who get paid to do this. Imports are not an issue nor a problem.

This is not a difficult concept.
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If you say so
 
George Hannah said:
Forget the cheap shots, leave them to the experts. If you think a second referendum staged by the losers on No Deal or Remain after another 6 months of chaotic stalled government is a coherent solution and good for this country then there is really nothing left to discuss.
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No option is good for the country, every single one has a negative impact in some way. The question now isn’t about that any more, it’s how to solve the impasse. There’s two choices in that if parliament fail themselves to do it - a GE or a referendum. Any single policy issue for me should always be solved by the latter, particularly one like Brexit that has already proven on both sides of the floor that it divides the parties anyway, but even that will have a negative impact as well - that is the state we are in.

Any outcome has an incendiary impact to someone or some group. The problem is not enough people care enough any more about trying to minimise that impact unless it’s for themselves and their own desired outcome. All that’s really been achieved in all of this is we’ve all turned into selfish twats.
 
meltonblue said:
No option is good for the country, every single one has a negative impact in some way. The question now isn’t about that any more, it’s how to solve the impasse. There’s two choices in that if parliament fail themselves to do it - a GE or a referendum. Any single policy issue for me should always be solved by the latter, particularly one like Brexit that has already proven on both sides of the floor that it divides the parties anyway, but even that will have a negative impact as well - that is the state we are in.

Any outcome has an incendiary impact to someone or some group. The problem is not enough people care enough any more about trying to minimise that impact unless it’s for themselves and their own desired outcome. All that’s really been achieved in all of this is we’ve all turned into selfish twats.
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Maybe the Queen’s speech will echo the way Johnson is following Trump.
More like; The State of the Union.
 
i kne albert davy said:
The truth not bullshit is Britain had a trade deficit with the EU of 64 billion pounds in 2018 great club to pay to be a member in,better off every year my arse.
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Yes we are, by 4+% GDP.

A vote to leave isn’t even being argued now as something economically better for the UK. Over 75% of economists said Brexit was madness and that number of economists being negative about the outcomes has significantly grown.


leaving would have some negative impact on the UK economy compared to staying in.
! Impact is smaller the closer any new arrangement are to our current economic relationship with the EU.
! Estimates range: from close to zero in one model (if we continue to be part of the Single Market, keep allowing free movement of labour from the EU, and so on) to significantly negative if leaving results in substantial new barriers to trade.
! Treasury Study: 6% smaller by 2030. OECD, IMF
! NIESR: GDP could be 1.5-7.8% lower by 2030 + “substantial
loss of export trade”àIFS extended austerity?
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George Hannah said:
The electorate is sovereign, they get to decide who governs them via a GE - that's how politics in this country should work. An opposition in flight from the voters because it knows it is heading for oblivion cannot be allowed to stall the democratic process.
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The people/electorate are only lent sovereignty for one day at a time and that is the day of a General Election. As soon as the polling booths close sovereignty is handed back to Parliament.

The opposition as part of the Sovereign Parliament has every right to act as it wishes, if it wants to stall what you consider is the democratic process, it is because it is establishing Parliaments right to be sovereign. You may feel that is wrong, but it is rightly or wrongly how our democracy works and people really have to stop with this nonsense that the people are sovereign because quite simply they are not. Parliament is supreme.
 
Rascal said:
The people/electorate are only lent sovereignty for one day at a time and that is the day of a General Election. As soon as the polling booths close sovereignty is handed back to Parliament.
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This means, for an hour, the working class of the north east run the country. Not sure you’ve thought this through, pal :-) x
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
This means, for an hour, the working class of the north east run the country. Not sure you’ve thought this through, pal :-) x
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It is not my thoughts, it is fact mate. Although are you suggesting that the results from Sunderland mean they run the country as they are usually first to declare?
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Yes; I wasn’t being entirely serious, pal :-)
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Your unctuous frivolity and constant Floccinaucinihilipilification has a definitive Psychoneuroendocrinological effect on my Hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobia, although i accept your Incomprehensibilities have a definite effect on my Psychophysicotherapeutical train of thinking :)
 
Rascal said:
Your unctuous frivolity and constant Floccinaucinihilipilification has a definitive Psychoneuroendocrinological effect on my Hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobia, although i accept your Incomprehensibilities have a definite effect on my Psychophysicotherapeutical train of thinking :)
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Couldn’t agree more.
 
Rascal said:
Your unctuous frivolity and constant Floccinaucinihilipilification has a definitive Psychoneuroendocrinological effect on my Hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobia, although i accept your Incomprehensibilities have a definite effect on my Psychophysicotherapeutical train of thinking :)
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Shit post. You failed to get antidisestablishmentarianism in
 
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