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gordondaviesmoustache said:
It will at least draw some sort of line under it, though. Failing to leave will cause such serious damage to social cohesion. We just need a workable deal. If that takes another year, or more, so be it. We’ve got to get this right.
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For once, my view is diametrically opposite to yours, probably due to me being "downstairs" c3, woodbines and grog type, remote from the "world of the lodges and with-drawing rooms of the patricians; the champers and caviar soirees where vip's cogitate the nations future. Word on the street is tory austerity, "wer'e all in it together," surely the biggest piss-take of all time, has increased the anger levels of the just-about-managing, numbering millions according to May, to def-con 1. there are various potential trigger points, house repossessions, evictions, break-down of the food chain, brutal bailiff gangs, medical services collapsing, covert deployment of the "special forces" like during the miner's strikeand the marches supporting the nurses etc. etc. Project Fear nonsense of course, until a brick comes through the window, a bus is set on fire and police vans overturned. The poll tax riots 2.0., in fact.
Entirely depends on who is gauging the public mood better, and only time will. My unshakeable belief is that "left v right" is a relic of history totally unfit for today, and every artificial border is a potential threat to peace and needs dismantling not creating.
The aftermath of ww2, meant a chance to start again for our neighbours in western europe, sweeping away the old dynasties and ancient tribal conflict, for the UK it was back to feudalism, the same social divisions that brexit seeks to exacerbate, in the name of f'kin' democracy....
 
blueinsa said:
If not it will be when McDonnell tells them to up wages, give everyone a long weekend and that Fred off the tyre line has a seat on the board whilst 20% of the shares have to go to the workers and a yearly dividend paid out to them all.

Back to your question......no.

It's a reflection on a world wide slump in car making due to diesel tech becoming almost obsolete, a move to electric which Nissan produces back home and people not driving and wanting big SUV type cars that are made in the North East.
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Straight in with the nowt to do with Brexit mantra.
It’s getting more than a bit predictable.
 
blueinsa said:
Here is why they will.

Ireland's geographical isolation.

Totally reliant on the UK as a land bridge to the rest of the EU.
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Ireland is an island with lots of ports.
A ship sailing from Rotterdam would take less than 12 hours more direct than via Great Britain. Post Brexit it will be even less due to customs checks.
Ireland is nowhere near totally reliant on Great Britain as a land bridge.
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
Because ....... numbers.

This would have been passed with the Tory / DUP MP's voting for it. Which makes me believe that they actually want 'No Deal' ........ my many years on this planet have taught me that when a Conservative wants something it will be because its serves their purpose ..... not for the benefit of others.
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You are probably right in some respects , I would also profer that Corbyn and co are so desparate to get into power that if Johnson came back from the EU with a deal that gave each of us a gold bar, Corbyn would still reject it out of hand. My many years on this planet has taught me that politicians as a group are generally more interested in what's in it for themselves. The fact that you want a career in politics should perhaps rule you out of the job in the first place. Ie do 10 years work as a teacher, doctor, engineer, manufacturing or a care assistant etc before you are qualified to speak on behalf of others.
 
blueinsa said:
If not it will be when McDonnell tells them to up wages, give everyone a long weekend and that Fred off the tyre line has a seat on the board whilst 20% of the shares have to go to the workers and a yearly dividend paid out to them all.

Back to your question......no.

It's a reflection on a world wide slump in car making due to diesel tech becoming almost obsolete, a move to electric which Nissan produces back home and people not driving and wanting big SUV type cars that are made in the North East.
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And not forgetting the EU Japan trade deal of earlier this year which means cars made in Japan are effectively free of the EU 15%. import levy.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
And not forgetting the EU Japan trade deal of earlier this year which means cars made in Japan are effectively free of the EU 15%. import levy.
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Hope you're not suggesting the EU knew the consequences for plants like Sunderland and didn't give a fuck?
 
west didsblue said:
Ireland is an island with lots of ports.
A ship sailing from Rotterdam would take less than 12 hours more direct than via Great Britain. Post Brexit it will be even less due to customs checks.
Ireland is nowhere near totally reliant on Great Britain as a land bridge.
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Ahh just 12 hours more from a poster who says 5 mins delay at one of our ports will be a disaster.

Look if they want no deal then they can by all means do the long sea crossings but i dont think they will and that a deal will be agreed.
 
George Hannah said:
Those two disasters are linked and repeal of the FTPA should be a number one priority for any party that cares about our system of government. Referendums, the Farage/Bannon tool of choice, are another threat - possibly terminal - with our current fiasco the end result of one.
To hear Blair's case last night on the Andrew Neil programme for another being described as 'coherent' by allegedly rational posters on here is an indication of the sheer lunancy of the situation. It's actually being seriously suggested that a motley grouping of defeated Remainers, including the SNP, should exploit the current Tory debacle to prevent a GE and install themselves for 6 months of non-government before inflicting a No Deal/Remain choice on the electorate. That would then line up a Farage/BoJo axis against an EU sponsored leaderless group irremedially tainted by their previous tactics. So much for the future of our representative parliamentary democracy if BoJo wins and he lifts a bunch of rampant populist right-wing extremists into power at the following GE.
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Only if you see the world exclusively in terms of Leavers and Remainers.
There in lies the problem with Brexit, the division it creates and the lack of logic and objectivity.

But yes, i do agree with the point you make about the dangerous outcome.
 
blueinsa said:
Here is why they will.

Ireland's geographical isolation.

Totally reliant on the UK as a land bridge to the rest of the EU.
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Totally reliant? I think thats a bit exaggerated

Although, it'll be interesting when GB is totally surrounded by the impending EU Army, EU Air Force and EU Navy
 
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