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Another new Brexit thread
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mancity2012_eamo
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Logistically we may be very reliant, but our trade is not nearly as reliant on Britain as NI, who will be hit very hard.Totally reliant? I think thats a bit exaggerated
Although, it'll be interesting when GB is totally surrounded by the impending EU Army, EU Air Force and EU Navy
It's one of the reasons that NI business are so against the current deal that Varadkar and Johnson are supposedly discussing.
A lot of your trade with Britain is dependant on either supply from the south or some element of the production line, before you ever get to export a product to the mainland.
This could see the dairy industry collapse and the culling of cattle and the abandonment of the land, is one forecast I have seen.
The North really is being sentenced to a maybe not so slow death, in many sectors.
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blueinsa
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Maybe i am. i fully expected the reply as well, humour is so often used as a veil.
But look, i do apologise, for what i do trust you i am wrong about. i'm being genuine.
I stand by my point though, many do indeed want to see it that way, i doubt you would deny that and we would likely bith find it equally unfortunate.
I dont for a second believe anyone of right mind wants or thinks brexit would, could or should lead to conflict.
Not one.
It is ridiculous.
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blueinsa
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Promise to die in a ditch .... like your leader?
He isn't my leader.
Whilst the thought of me dying in a ditch has obviously perked you up it isn't going to happen.
I dont for a second believe anyone of right mind wants or thinks brexit would, could or should lead to conflict.
Not one.
It is ridiculous.
I give you credit for believing that, and i do admire it (for clarity without a hint of condesending sarcasm, just in case it gets misinterpreted).
You would be surprised though, the mentality and obsession that comes with that. Let's both hope you never are.
bluethrunthru
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FFS
When will this ideological madness end
Shortly after Johnson gets his No Deal and then hospitals are overrun with admissions of patients who ordinarily just popped some pills but are now very sick because the chemists can't meet their prescription and when fresh goods start to run out in the shops or become very expensive when you can get them and when petrol stations begin rationing supplies then people will see the madness they wrought upon themselves and the rest of us.
mancity2012_eamo
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I don't think it will happen BI but the border between Scotland and England would not have the GFA to contend with. It would not be exactly the same situation.oooh the border question again ;-)
Something tells me the way the SNP have behaved the last 3 years those negotiations will make the NI question seem as easy as 2+2= ;-)
It would basically be a border between the EU and UK without the NI issues.
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blueinsa
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Shortly after Johnson gets his No Deal and then hospitals are overrun with admissions of patients who ordinarily just popped some pills but are now very sick because the chemists can't meet their prescription and when fresh goods start to run out in the shops or become very expensive when you can get them and when petrol stations begin rationing supplies then people will see the madness they wrought upon themselves and the rest of us.
Is this a script for the new season of walking dead?
Shortly after Johnson gets his No Deal and then hospitals are overrun with admissions of patients who ordinarily just popped some pills but are now very sick because the chemists can't meet their prescription and when fresh goods start to run out in the shops or become very expensive when you can get them and when petrol stations begin rationing supplies then people will see the madness they wrought upon themselves and the rest of us.
Followed swiftly by the 7 horsemen of the apocalypse right?
bluethrunthru
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Followed swiftly by the 7 horsemen of the apocalypse right?
Listen - we have gone from sunny uplands to "hopefully it won't be as bad as all that" - how long after No Deal do we start having Leavers saying its not too bad because the body count isn't as large as some had predicted? Fucking insanity prevails in the cult of Brexit
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blueinsa
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I don't think it will happen BI but the border between Scotland and England would not have the GFA to contend with. It would not be exactly the same situation.
It would basically be a border between the EU and UK without the NI issues.
Ahhh but that's where you're wrong.
Apparently all the issues the SNP have found with a border between the UK and the EU will suddenly disappear.
It wont need to be a hard border and nor will any customs checks be needed.
Hell they will also continue to use our currency and central bank.
Now dont get me wrong i find that attitude eminently sensible and everything should be done to facilitate it happening because we are neighbours, not enemies and have a lot of trade to protect and it just needs agreements to be made.
Unfortunately for the SNP they have pissed on their own chips and can expect no favours if they go it alone.
Listen - we have gone from sunny uplands to "hopefully it won't be as bad as all that" - how long after No Deal do we start having Leavers saying its not too bad because the body count isn't as large as some had predicted? Fucking insanity prevails in the cult of Brexit
I voted to remain, I'm just not naive enough to believe the panic. We can survive and thrive without Europe.
mancity2012_eamo
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Well if you crash out, I'm affraid they too would have to contend with a hard border, but they would know that before voting in a referendum. At least they'd know what they are voting for.Ahhh but that's where you're wrong.
Apparently all the issues the SNP have found with a border between the UK and the EU will suddenly disappear.
It wont need to be a hard border and nor will any customs checks be needed.
Hell they will also continue to use our currency and central bank.
Now dont get me wrong i find that attitude eminently sensible and everything should be done to facilitate it happening because we are neighbours, not enemies and have a lot of trade to protect and it just needs agreements to be made.
Unfortunately for the SNP they have pissed on their own chips and can expect no favours if they go it alone.
This is why I said I doubt it would happen, but those in Scotland may offer more local knowledge on that subject than I can offer.
Blue Hefner
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I voted to remain, I'm just not naive enough to believe the panic. We can survive and thrive without Europe.
What is your definition of 'thriving'?
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blueinsa
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I voted to remain, I'm just not naive enough to believe the panic. We can survive and thrive without Europe.
Remember though mate......zombie brexiteers have to be shot in the head or burnt.
Anything else and we live on.
stonerblue
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I know all that, and it stinks. Why can't they give 1 billion of their 40 billion (a guess) to their workers? Cos they're greedy bastards is why.Because like most companies, they will be willing to pay a going rate based on location, skills and the industry and that is that.
Anything else, if forced and they will close the plant and produce elsewhere. Seriously the plan for seats on boards and shares to be given etc is pie in the sky from Labour and not based on any reality of what business will accept.
As it happens i know of 2 local firms that give employees shares and seats on the board. One recently paid out on their shares and a friend received over 130k. How it should be.
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blueinsa
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I know all that, and it stinks. Why can't they give 1 billion of their 40 billion (a guess) to their workers? Cos they're greedy bastards is why.
As it happens i know of 2 local firms that give employees shares and seats on the board. One recently paid out on their shares and a friend received over 130k. How it should be.
We have a business in a sector that has a large company that works in a co-op fashion.
Every employee earns the same, over £24 per hour and when i say every i mean every one of them from the cleaner to the MD.
Best still roles are changed and everyone gets to be the cleaner and everyone gets to be the MD with a culture of help for those that needs it in roles they might be struggling with.
Recruitment is done by a vote and anyone they feel is no longer fit for the business is only let go after a vote.
I have to say it works for them as they a hugely successful but it is in a sector that lends itself if i might add and still has me scratching my head as i would never run my business like that.
Call me a selfish ****, i dont care i just wouldn't.
George Hannah
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He did indeed say he would prefer that wouldn't happen but that is patently self-contradictory. His unpalatable 6 month 'government of national unity' i.e. ill-assorted group of remainers agreed on nothing else - is the only path to a second referendum being staged before a GE - and as Neil repeatedly pointed out - the dogs on the streets can see through Blair's desperation to stop Brexit by any means. Morally and intellectually dishonest - the trademarks of this whole disgusting farrago of mendacious absurdity.He wasn’t saying that though, in fact he said the opposite and thought a government of national unity wouldn’t happen.
You’re doing the same thing Neil was trying to do, which was change the debate into something he wasn’t even saying.
AlexWilliamsGloves
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Fair enough.
Come back home and help in the coming war ;-)
Back home? I am home, being all british n stuff...living in the UK n all
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blueinsa
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He did indeed say he would prefer that wouldn't happen but that is patently self-contradictory. His unpalatable 6 month 'government of national unity' i.e. ill-assorted group of remainers agreed on nothing else - is the only path to a second referendum being staged before a GE - and as Neil repeatedly pointed out - the dogs on the streets can see through Blair's desperation to stop Brexit by any means. Morally and intellectually dishonest - the trademarks of this whole disgusting farrago of mendacious absurdity.
Well said George.
Id have more respect but still disagree with them if they just came out with it like Swinson and say we want to fuck brexit off.
They wont.
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