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Good on you, I hope it works out.
Cheers. I know for certain it's in demand, currently. So finding something new shouldn't be an issue, especially in Manchester, if the trend continues.

Go where the demand is, basically.
 
Well just to clarify my opinion on Brexit and what I intended to occur when I voted (those who know this already can skip to the next post now, having seen me explain it 100 times already) I don't oppose the EU itself, more that I am fearful and oppose what it intends to become (federal) and how that goes against what I want to see of Europe.

In short terms, I want to see the UK leave the EU and join the EFTA. We were originally EFTA members (being a founder) qnd believe it is more appropriate to our position and relationship with Europe, that being opposing a customs union (as does the EFTA) opposing political integration (as does the EFTA) and opposes combining economies (you get the picture). I'd hoped our Government and Parliament would support such an option, and instead we got May's WA (which looks remarkably similar to an EFTA membership, but go figure)

If you feel I pooh-pooh'd you, it's only because my own opinions have been pooh-pooh'd from others who don't share my own situation. They pooh-pooh'd it. In the end your pooh-pooh's have been pooh-pooh'd by us on the leave side having been pooh-pooh'd. The concept of brexit totally destroyed, by pooh-pooh.

I have no issue with my views and opinions being pood. I wouldnt be on here if i did. and i dont pretend not to do the same myself. But if i am genuinely engaging on speaking from experience, rather than perception, i am going to trust it is taken with the same real interest, that's all.

I get everybody's heightened state of stretched nerves. It has been over 3 years, plus the year of the referendum build up as well, which wasnt all farts & giggles either.
I've also had nearly 5 years of indyref before that, and that was far more intense and emotional. Because, political and economic convictions aside, very few of us have any real emotional connection to the EU, unlike Scots to the UK, even the ones voting for independence. So i'm that bit more fatigued, I'm like KDB coming back into a gruelling season having played every minute of the world cup. And i've got another indyref to go through, once brexit gets resolved whenever that may be.
 
Then you should find a new one.

Despite the current political climate slowing growth, we still have ridiculously low unemployment levels and you’ll find a new job, believe me.

You’ve got nothing to lose in interviewing and checking companies out, you don’t have to take anything you don’t like, just make sure you ask the right questions at the end of your interviews.

I was under paid and working shit hours, so I left and it’s the best decision I made. One thing led to another and I’ve tripled my salary since.

I’m not saying everyone will do that but there’s definitely a chance for you to get better hours and you’ll almost definitely enhance your pay elsewhere.

The worst thing anyone can do if they’re undervalued and unhappy is stay put.

To MB, i echo the above.
 
Is that because they can get away with paying people fuck all, once the Tories scrap the minimum wage post no deal ;-)

By the way no deal isn’t happening though.

No it's just no longer economically viable. Hopefully there is no 'no deal' outcome, but it has swings both ways.
 
Yes, it did happen until Brexit happened.
No, it didn't. SNP, especially Salmond and Sturgeon, were bleating about how "this ain't over..."
@blueparrot

You - and several others on this thread seem to try and push this narrative that following the 2014 vote the SNP then cooled on the idea of another independence vote.

You are actually simply wrong on this. Now whether some people are just genuinely mistaken - I can understand that - or have some other reason for avoiding the truth of the matter, I do not know.

I happened to be doing quite a bit of work for SG at the time of the 2014 referendum and in particular a senior Civil Servant had commissioned me to undertake some consultancy - someone that I had done work for 6 years previously and personally know quite well - with regard to the rollout of Broadband across Scotland.

He called me to rearrange a planned meeting because he had been 'summoned' to meet with senior SG/SNP players and the next day told me that he was leaving his job with immediate effect to become the representative for Scotland in Brussels - tasked with establishing the route and relationships to ensure that Scotland could secure accession to the EU following a future/next Indeyref.

This was within days - certainly a couple of weeks - of the 2014 vote.

So sorry - they started planning immediately following the NO vote.

@Mëtal Bikër - you are right on this
 
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No it's just no longer economically viable. Hopefully there is no 'no deal' outcome, but it has swings both ways.

It won’t happen no because I believe Johnson was never going to do it and why he was quick to fuck that **** Farage off.

Also the Benn Act.

But I’m sure there were some benefits but the swing would be heavily in favour of “oh god this is fucking shit”.
 
It won’t happen no because I believe Johnson was never going to do it and why he was quick to fuck that **** Farage off.

Also the Benn Act.

But I’m sure there were some benefits but the swing would be heavily in favour of “oh god this is fucking shit”.

It won't be 'oh god this is shit' - we can prosper with all outcomes. Wasted on you though being a doom merchant. Bleat away.
 
I have no issue with my views and opinions being pood. I wouldnt be on here if i did. and i dont pretend not to do the same myself. But if i am genuinely engaging on speaking from experience, rather than perception, i am going to trust it is taken with the same real interest, that's all.

I get everybody's heightened state of stretched nerves. It has been over 3 years, plus the year of the referendum build up as well, which wasnt all farts & giggles either.
I've also had nearly 5 years of indyref before that, and that was far more intense and emotional. Because, political and economic convictions aside, very few of us have any real emotional connection to the EU, unlike Scots to the UK, even the ones voting for independence. So i'm that bit more fatigued, I'm like KDB coming back into a gruelling season having played every minute of the world cup. And i've got another indyref to go through, once brexit gets resolved whenever that may be.
(he-he.."pood")

I honestly wanted Brexit to work for everyone. Abhorred May's "red lines", abhorred Farage's anti-europe rhetoric, really felt like shouting "not in my name" half the time, but hey-ho. All I wanted us to do was move from one European organisation, which wanted federalism or at least appeared to, to one that didn't that already had established links to said other European organisation, but not tied to it.

In regards to indyref, I supported the No Thanks campaign, but have since relaxed my "Rule Britannia" ideals, and focused more on liberty being paramount. If Scotland truly feels it is being ignored, disregarded, left behind or forgotten by Westminster (as most in the north of England would empathise) then i'd have no qualms about them seeking separation. I myself don't exactly identify as "British". I don't even know what it means, to be honest, being "British". I more identify with "English", but have to suppress those feelings out of fear of being called racist, nationalist or other identitarian bullshit.

Personally, I feel the UK still has a future, but not as a "nation" known as the UK. I feel the UK union should be just that, with England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, voluntarily associating with collaboration, partnership and trade, but not tied politically. I think we've reached that stage now. Others can disagree, and feel free to do so, but the four nations of the United Kingdom are not united, not politically or "culturally", for want of a better word, and I feel it's time that union became positively associative, just like our relationship with Europe. I favour voluntary association, not political integration, on any level, domestic or European.
 
It won't be 'oh god this is shit' - we can prosper with all outcomes. Wasted on you though being a doom merchant. Bleat away.

“Doom merchant”.

Lol.

If no deal will allow us to prosper then why have we been threatening it with the EU?

Why has every single industry leader, political expert, economist and leader of every other nation bar that fat orange **** in the White House, who wants to raid us, said they cannot believe we’d consider no deal?

Explain the stockpiling?

I’m all for leaving with a deal, since it was voted for but I’ll never support a no deal, it’ll be horrendous for our country.
 
“Doom merchant”.

Lol.

If no deal will allow us to prosper then why have we been threatening it with the EU?

Why has every single industry leader, political expert, economist and leader of every other nation bar that fat orange **** in the White House, who wants to raid us, said they cannot believe we’d consider no deal?

Explain the stockpiling?

I’m all for leaving with a deal, since it was voted for but I’ll never support a no deal, it’ll be horrendous for our country.
Bascially this line.

I'd support no deal personally, but i've seen NOTHING to convince me that we're prepared for such a scenario. If we were, i'd be all "go ahead, go for no deal" but i'm not convinced this country has done enough to counter a no deal exit, so deal or extension it is.
 
I have no issue with my views and opinions being pood. I wouldnt be on here if i did. and i dont pretend not to do the same myself. But if i am genuinely engaging on speaking from experience, rather than perception, i am going to trust it is taken with the same real interest, that's all.

I get everybody's heightened state of stretched nerves. It has been over 3 years, plus the year of the referendum build up as well, which wasnt all farts & giggles either.
I've also had nearly 5 years of indyref before that, and that was far more intense and emotional. Because, political and economic convictions aside, very few of us have any real emotional connection to the EU, unlike Scots to the UK, even the ones voting for independence. So i'm that bit more fatigued, I'm like KDB coming back into a gruelling season having played every minute of the world cup. And i've got another indyref to go through, once brexit gets resolved whenever that may be.
We will be ok mate. Scotland will stay part of the Union. No need to stress one iota. @mcfc1632 says so.

On a more serious note I have found this every bit as stressful as Indyref1. Has this made you move towards independence or away from it even more?
 
@blueparrot

You - and several others on this thread seem to try and push this narrative that following the 2014 vote the SNP then cooled on the idea of another independence vote.

You are actually simply wrong on this. Now whether some people are just genuinely mistake - I can understand that - or have some other reason for avoiding the truth of the matter, I do not know.

I happened to be doing quite a bit of work for SG at the time of the 2014 referendum and in particular a senior Civil Servant had commissioned me to undertake some consultancy - someone that I had done work for 6 years previously and personally know quite well - with regard to the rollout of Broadband across Scotland.

He called me to rearrange a planned meeting because he had been 'summoned' to meet with senior SG/SNP players and the next day told me that he was leaving his job with immediate effect to become the representative for Scotland in Brussels - tasked with establishing the route and relationships to ensure that Scotland could secure accession to the EU following a future/next Indeyref.

This was within days - certainly a couple of weeks - of the 2014 vote.

So sorry - they started planning immediately following the NO vote.

@Mëtal Bikër - you are right on this
SNP entire raison d'etre is for Scotland to be independent. They will never give up that ultimate objective irrespective of how popular they are in the country. Anyone that thinks they are 'dead' if we Brexit is deluded. The party has some incredibly competent people in it as well as a good few bam pots. they will not call another referendum until they are confident they will win it by a margin. (most recent poll I saw was 52/48 in favour of independence). They will want much clearer blue water than that over a sustained period. A further Tory win at the next GE might well achieve that.
 
(he-he.."pood")

I honestly wanted Brexit to work for everyone. Abhorred May's "red lines", abhorred Farage's anti-europe rhetoric, really felt like shouting "not in my name" half the time, but hey-ho. All I wanted us to do was move from one European organisation, which wanted federalism or at least appeared to, to one that didn't that already had established links to said other European organisation, but not tied to it.

In regards to indyref, I supported the No Thanks campaign, but have since relaxed my "Rule Britannia" ideals, and focused more on liberty being paramount. If Scotland truly feels it is being ignored, disregarded, left behind or forgotten by Westminster (as most in the north of England would empathise) then i'd have no qualms about them seeking separation. I myself don't exactly identify as "British". I don't even know what it means, to be honest, being "British". I more identify with "English", but have to suppress those feelings out of fear of being called racist, nationalist or other identitarian bullshit.

Personally, I feel the UK still has a future, but not as a "nation" known as the UK. I feel the UK union should be just that, with England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, voluntarily associating with collaboration, partnership and trade, but not tied politically. I think we've reached that stage now. Others can disagree, and feel free to do so, but the four nations of the United Kingdom are not united, not politically or "culturally", for want of a better word, and I feel it's time that union became positively associative, just like our relationship with Europe. I favour voluntary association, not political integration, on any level, domestic or European.

I feel far more British than Scottish. Born in Scotland, brought up in Northern England, moved back to Scotland as a teenager. Support an English football club, an English cricket club, Scottish Rugby. Holiday in England every year. Fish in England every year. Worked in London, Halifax and Edinburgh. How can I not feel British. Preservation of the Union is far more important to me than leaving the European Union and I wish our politicians felt the same. The history of the Union is a proud one and many people seem to be happy to just see it flushed down the drain.
 
Bascially this line.

I'd support no deal personally, but i've seen NOTHING to convince me that we're prepared for such a scenario. If we were, i'd be all "go ahead, go for no deal" but i'm not convinced this country has done enough to counter a no deal exit, so deal or extension it is.

The best outcome for everyone now is this new deal to go through and for a FTA.
 
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