Another new Brexit thread

[blueinsa]

*waits patiently*

Haha.

 

[Vic]

Yes it is a big assumption as nobody knows what the deal is , as it has not been even agreed with the eu or published yet?

So how can people say well I am voting against it!

A lot of people on here seem to like it without knowing what it is.

 

[blueinsa]

A lot of people on here seem to like it without knowing what it is.

Again and for.clarity because you are not alone in missing the detail here Vic, we like the news and idea of a possible agreement and an end to brexit.

As a committed revoker and ignorer of a democratic vote I get you wont like that but take solace that you are not alone on here with that opinion.

 

[aguerrrroooooooooooo]

Queens speech is on now

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

A lot of people on here seem to like it without knowing what it is.

Not read it how can I say, I like the idea we might be getting close to something though.

 

[M18CTID]

I think the honest answer is 1 it is a tory brexit deal and 2 it is BoJos deal. The vast majority of MPs will never vote for either nut both things together and of course they are going to reject it.

BoJo?

 

[journolud]

All the opposition MPs now saying they won’t vote for the new deal, even the new deal has not been agreed with the eu.

What a surprise.

Not seen anything on any of the news sites I look at to indicate this. What source are you using?

 

[aguerrrroooooooooooo]

It's going to kick off this afternoon, parliament back in session

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

It's going to kick off this afternoon, parliament back in session

There is one thing we have concluded over recent days. The excericse of a queens speech is a total waste of time. A load of guff for Maj to read out a list of stuff that may or may not happen.

This whole debate is a waste of time. Just vote it down and get on with other things.

 

[west didsblue]

Without the backstop this deal can only be one of two things:
- Separate arrangements that effectively keep NI in the CU and SM
- The whole of the UK stays in the CU and SM.
Whichever it is it will be dressed up to sound like that it’s something else and that we’ve secured some huge concession from the EU but anyone who follows this will see through the charade straight away. Johnson will sell it to the gullible who might vote for him in the upcoming election irrespective of what happens with Brexit following his huge victory getting it through or his plucky failed attempt foiled by undemocratic traitors.

 

[kaz7]

So he lies to the queen,a women in her middle 90's,then he makes her go through the farce of today,lot's of new things on crime from the twat who was found to be doing something unlawful himself,he has a pair of bollocks i'll give him that

 

[west didsblue]

So he lies to the queen,a women in her middle 90's,then he makes her go through the farce of today,lot's of new things on crime from the twat who was found to be doing something unlawful himself,he has a pair of bollocks i'll give him that

He needs a good kick in them tbh.

 

[mat]

The PM has just said in Parliament Scargill believed in democracy and wants Brexit done.

Not sure if he's taking the piss.

His response to Corbyn is to do a stand up routine.

 

[Coatigan]

All the opposition MPs now saying they won’t vote for the new deal, even the new deal has not been agreed with the eu.

What a surprise.

According to Rees-Mogg, itcis the job 9f the opposition to oppose, no matter what the deal is.

There you go, totally democratic, the lot of them then!

~

 

[mat]

According to Rees-Mogg, itcis the job 9f the opposition to oppose, no matter what the deal is.

There you go, totally democratic, the lot of them then!

~

Definitely.

The English Parliament has taken on the concerns of the Union and totally ignored them.

Business as usual.

 

[kaz7]

He needs a good kick in them tbh.

Me first

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Not seen anything on any of the news sites I look at to indicate this. What source are you using?

Really?

So they are going to vote for it, great that means it will get through.

 

[journolud]

Really?

So they are going to vote for it, great that means it will get through.

I don't know if they are going to vote for it. You said all the opposition MPs were saying they wouldn't vote for the new deal, I said I hadn't heard or read that anywhere and asked you where you got the information from. Sounds like you were saying they wouldn't vote for it out of principle even though nobody knows what the deal is yet. You could have just been making it up though unless you can point to a source that shows any or all opposition MPs have said they would vote against.

 

[Vic]

Again and for.clarity because you are not alone in missing the detail here Vic, we like the news and idea of a possible agreement and an end to brexit.

As a committed revoker and ignorer of a democratic vote I get you wont like that but take solace that you are not alone on here with that opinion.

I'm only a committed Revoker because Leave has not delivered its statement (not a promise) that if we left we would Remain in a FTZFITTRB.

 

[mcfc1632]

You mean you have no counter.

The potential customs model in NI can be used as a model for an independent Scotland as a bridge between two custom territories, the EU and the UK.

The years we have spent trying to leave the European Union can act as a template for Scotland trying to leave our Union. They can avoid the mistakes and they can observe the realities of where they need to compromise.

The U.K. leaving the EU is showing the pathway for Scotland and Wales to follow. We are even constructing the future customs model for them. The prize would be EU membership and the bigger EU market whilst retaining participation in the U.K. market.

Discuss.

Fuck me - glad I had better things to do yesterday

That is some proper lazy and convenient distraction/invention right there

So I have been making two points these last days - both absolutely factually and clearly, if you are old-fashioned enough to use objectivity and evidence - totally spot on.

1. That the EU have now moved their possition

Well FFS - despite all the desperate denial - they are currently re-opening the WA which they said they would never do - so the rest of the Remainer bollocks on this is just desperate bollocks - FACTS are indeed FACTS

2. That should the UK actually leave the EU before there is a 2nd Indyref then the prospect of a YES vote recedes

I set out a sensible scenario. Some of the more obvious posters that have not any apparent capability to debate throw out some snide comments and run for cover and you come out with this nonsense.

So you now clutch for the piece of straw of this possible emerging deal and claim that this is now the established model for how things will work from this point - something not even agreed past outline principles and only becomes a possibility due to the special circumstances and motivations with regard to the N.I. and Ireland situation - some proper piece of work you are.

And that only would fractionally address one aspect of the points I raised - you hide from the others.

But - there is some upside for you...………

The experience of the last 3 years is indeed informing the way such breakaways from a Union will be managed in the future. If there is a YES vote (spoiler: that is very doubtful) - then the UK has absolutely knowledge on how best to handle the 'divorce' - and before there is any talk about trade and borders - we will want to get the divorce settlement fully agreed.

Spoiler: There is no way that ever gets concluded before Scotland decide not to bother (and of course this is purely hypothetical because Scotland will not have voted YES in the first place)

Anyway - my intention was to spark some discussion with some of the posters living in Scotland and, beyond this amateur hour offering, I am expecting the next pages to show a mixture of the occasional snide comment from the usual suspect(s) and the running away from those I was seeking to discuss with - hopefully I will be proven wrong - do you think???