Another new Brexit thread

[mcfc1632]

BJ is more appropriate, leaves a nasty taste in the mouth (so I’m told).

We Remainers use the initials BJ to describe someone else - and you are of course correct about the after-taste

Just joking;-)

 

[Coatigan]

Fuck me - glad I had better things to do yesterday

That is some proper lazy and convenient distraction/invention right there

So I have been making two points these last days - both absolutely factually and clearly, if you are old-fashioned enough to use objectivity and evidence - totally spot on.

1. That the EU have now moved their possition

Well FFS - despite all the desperate denial - they are currently re-opening the WA which they said they would never do - so the rest of the Remainer bollocks on this is just desperate bollocks - FACTS are indeed FACTS

2. That should the UK actually leave the EU before there is a 2nd Indyref then the prospect of a YES vote recedes

I set out a sensible scenario. Some of the more obvious posters that have not any apparent capability to debate throw out some snide comments and run for cover and you come out with this nonsense.

So you now clutch for the piece of straw of this possible emerging deal and claim that this is now the established model for how things will work from this point - something not even agreed past outline principles and only becomes a possibility due to the special circumstances and motivations with regard to the N.I. and Ireland situation - some proper piece of work you are.

And that only would fractionally address one aspect of the points I raised - you hide from the others.

But - there is some upside for you...………

The experience of the last 3 years is indeed informing the way such breakaways from a Union will be managed in the future. If there is a YES vote (spoiler: that is very doubtful) - then the UK has absolutely knowledge on how best to handle the 'divorce' - and before there is any talk about trade and borders - we will want to get the divorce settlement fully agreed.

Spoiler: There is no way that ever gets concluded before Scotland decide not to bother (and of course this is purely hypothetical because Scotland will not have voted YES in the first place)

Anyway - my intention was to spark some discussion with some of the posters living in Scotland and, beyond this amateur hour offering, I am expecting the next pages to show a mixture of the occasional snide comment from the usual suspect(s) and the running away from those I was seeking to discuss with - hopefully I will be proven wrong - do you think???

And i put it to you good sir, that you appear to be stuck in a loop.

I notice btw that your spoiler has changed from 'it won't happen' to 'it is doubtful'.
Just like the EU, you have moved.

 

[mcfc1632]

I suppose one eye, open, IS better than both eyes shut, with fingers in your ears, repeatedly shouting the same over and over.

I have to admit to a sense of disappointment. It was yourself and @Saddleworth2 that I thought would actually debate this subject of Scottish independence

In the early days of your involvement you seemed to have something about you beyond the lazy/snide level

I guess it is easy to fall in line with the 'role models' on here - but as you seem to live in Scotland I should that you might make some effort

 

[Coatigan]

I have to admit to a sense of disappointment. It was yourself and @Saddleworth2 that I thought would actually debate this subject of Scottish independence

In the early days of your involvement you seemed to have something about you beyond the lazy/snide level

I guess it is easy to fall in line with the 'role models' on here - but as you seem to live in Scotland I should that you might make some effort

Apologies for the snideness. I'm attempting this humour others keep telling me about.

I would like to (debate), and i tried. But you do keep repeating the same copy paste assumptions over and over, not bothering with anything i or from what i see anyone else have said. And then you claim it as fact. so not much left to debate.
I've said plenty though, in discussions with ben-jani, metal biker, and others, if any of it is of any use to you. Appreciate your interest nonetheless.

 

[Gabriel]

You mean you have no counter.

The potential customs model in NI can be used as a model for an independent Scotland as a bridge between two custom territories, the EU and the UK.

The years we have spent trying to leave the European Union can act as a template for Scotland trying to leave our Union. They can avoid the mistakes and they can observe the realities of where they need to compromise.

The U.K. leaving the EU is showing the pathway for Scotland and Wales to follow. We are even constructing the future customs model for them. The prize would be EU membership and the bigger EU market whilst retaining participation in the U.K. market.

Discuss.

Mooted the same in the Scottish Independence thread. At the current rate, a UK government will soon be conceding a second referendum on Brexit, thereby negating the 'once in a generation' argument; might as well offer the SNP the blueprints on how to solve the currency conundrum while they are at it. :-)

 

[mcfc1632]

Apologies for the snideness. I'm attempting this humour others keep telling me about.

I would like to (debate), and i tried. But you do keep repeating the same copy paste assumptions over and over, not bothering with anything i or from what i see anyone else have said. And then you claim it as fact. so not much left to debate.
I've said plenty though, in discussions with ben-jani, metal biker, and others, if any of it is of any use to you. Appreciate your interest nonetheless.

I think that you have me confused with someone else

There are quite a few posters on here that only ever copy and paste from news articles - that is not me.

I tend to post my own views and not rely on those from copied from tabloids - on from favourite posters on here

If I claim things to be 'facts' I can accept that is technical wrong - what I mean is that what I am saying is the obvious conclusions that are easily derived from the application of reasoned and objective analysis.

I can accept that these only become facts following their realisation.

So regarding the Scotland issue - I put forward a number of clear points and a firm view to invite discussion and what do I get back?

• Cheap shots and snide comments with no substance from the usual poster
• Some attempted distraction from BobK to restrict the conversation into a narrow place and
• Avoidance from yourself and others that I had thought would be keen to discuss such as @Saddleworth2

Disappointing.

Anyway - as an aside - 'affectionately' around where I live I am referred to as 'Lucky old George' - especially by people I play golf with.

Having caught up on this thread from yesterday morning I feel that is entirely appropriate as I missed out on that delight - what was all that obsession about what to call Johnson ?

 

[Saddleworth2]

I think that you have me confused with someone else

There are quite a few posters on here that only ever copy and paste from news articles - that is not me.

I tend to post my own views and not rely on those from copied from tabloids - on from favourite posters on here

If I claim things to be 'facts' I can accept that is technical wrong - what I mean is that what I am saying is the obvious conclusions that are easily derived from the application of reasoned and objective analysis.

I can accept that these only become facts following their realisation.

So regarding the Scotland issue - I put forward a number of clear points and a firm view to invite discussion and what do I get back?

• Cheap shots and snide comments with no substance from the usual poster
• Some attempted distraction from BobK to restrict the conversation into a narrow place and
• Avoidance from yourself and others that I had thought would be keen to discuss such as @Saddleworth2

Disappointing.

Anyway - as an aside - 'affectionately' around where I live I am referred to as 'Lucky old George' - especially by people I play golf with.

Having caught up on this thread from yesterday morning I feel that is entirely appropriate as I missed out on that delight - what was all that obsession about what to call Johnson ?

Always keen to discuss or debate anything. However past experience indicates that you tend to declaim rather than debate. We started one a couple of months back which was promising. Unfortunately I didn’t get a response to several points I made as to why Scottish independence was possible but by no means certain. If you find it and respond I would be happy enough to continue.

 

[Vic]

Always keen to discuss or debate anything. However past experience indicates that you tend to declaim rather than debate. We started one a couple of months back which was promising. Unfortunately I didn’t get a response to several points I made as to why Scottish independence was possible but by no means certain. If you find it and respond I would be happy enough to continue.

On the Scottish independence thread I hope.

 

[BobKowalski]

Mooted the same in the Scottish Independence thread. At the current rate, a UK government will soon be conceding a second referendum on Brexit, thereby negating the 'once in a generation' argument; might as well offer the SNP the blueprints on how to solve the currency conundrum while they are at it. :-)

Adopt the Euro I guess. Currently RoI and NI run separate currencies within an ‘all Ireland’ economy so again the blueprint is there. If in NI we manage to put together a ‘two customs in one territory’ policy with custom rules determined by which market the goods are destined for then its application could work in Scotland and Wales. It’s application could be smoother given there is no historic tension (well not for a few hundred years) at the Scots/English border.

I’ve no idea if any of these new proposals for NI are going to fly but if they do then I can’t help thinking we are actively undermining our own Union rather the European one. The law of unintended consequences.

 

[Coatigan]

On the Scottish independence thread I hope.

Unless it is in the context of Brexit.

 

[Vic]

Unless it is in the context of Brexit.

Even if it's in the context of Brexit. Brexit might be a factor in Scottish Independence but Scottish Independence is peripheral to what happens this week re Brexit. Plus the discussion is even more round-and-round than Leave v Remain.

 

[Coatigan]

Even if it's in the context of Brexit. Brexit might be a factor in Scottish Independence but Scottish Independence is peripheral to what happens this week re Brexit. Plus the discussion is even more round-and-round than Leave v Remain.

Sorry, i find it tedious too, like a lot of the brexit chat as well. But there is likewise the odd interesting bit to read too, on both. Should we say, can't mention the economy, or, n.ireland, or Ireland for that matter?
It is all intertwined and linked. I personally didn't see the need for the other thread, i thought it premature, it seems to be there so a few english nats can vent, fair enough, i get that too. I engage as well if i feel i can offer meaningful logic/perspective.

But i do take it on board, and will do what i can to avoid it where it isn't necessary.

 

[west didsblue]

I think that you have me confused with someone else

There are quite a few posters on here that only ever copy and paste from news articles - that is not me.

I tend to post my own views and not rely on those from copied from tabloids - on from favourite posters on here

If I claim things to be 'facts' I can accept that is technical wrong - what I mean is that what I am saying is the obvious conclusions that are easily derived from the application of reasoned and objective analysis.

I can accept that these only become facts following their realisation.

So regarding the Scotland issue - I put forward a number of clear points and a firm view to invite discussion and what do I get back?

• Cheap shots and snide comments with no substance from the usual poster
• Some attempted distraction from BobK to restrict the conversation into a narrow place and
• Avoidance from yourself and others that I had thought would be keen to discuss such as @Saddleworth2

Disappointing.

Anyway - as an aside - 'affectionately' around where I live I am referred to as 'Lucky old George' - especially by people I play golf with.

Having caught up on this thread from yesterday morning I feel that is entirely appropriate as I missed out on that delight - what was all that obsession about what to call Johnson ?

Your posts get ever more delusional.
Whining about posters not engaging with you is fucking hysterical, when you have without fail ignored salient points made by many people and instead focussed on minutiae and simply poured scorn on anything anyone says whilst simultaneously stating in a Trumpian manner about your unmatched wisdom and analytical skills.
No one runs from debating with you. Everyone realises it’s just a pointless exercise.
It therefore gives you free rein to post as much bollocks as you want without any comeback with one or two sycophants agreeing with you. Bet you love it.
Not to mention your “rate my post” service where you breathlessly praise complete shite just because it’s from a Leaver and belittle posts from Remainers without countering any points made.

 

[mcfc1632]

On the Scottish independence thread I hope.

Even if it's in the context of Brexit. Brexit might be a factor in Scottish Independence but Scottish Independence is peripheral to what happens this week re Brexit. Plus the discussion is even more round-and-round than Leave v Remain.

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Oooh there is a Scottish Independence thread....

But maybe both?

Afterall - Remainers have used 3 Brexit threads to bang on about how Brexit will make Scottish Independence and the Break-up of the Union an almost certainty. You have made it a central Brexit issue.

That has been grossly inaccurate/false so does need to be addressed/corrected/retracted?

;-)

 

[mcfc1632]

Sorry, i find it tedious too, like a lot of the brexit chat as well. But there is likewise the odd interesting bit to read too, on both. Should we say, can't mention the economy, or, n.ireland, or Ireland for that matter?
It is all intertwined and linked. I personally didn't see the need for the other thread, i thought it premature, it seems to be there so a few english nats can vent, fair enough, i get that too. I engage as well if i feel i can offer meaningful logic/perspective.

But i do take it on board, and will do what i can to avoid it where it isn't necessary.

Don't worry - it is not the role of @Vic to give orders about what can be covered on threads and it has been the Remainers that have raised the subject of Scottish Independence on the Brexit threads - seems strange that they have recently been wanting to run away from that being discussed - another inconvenient truth perhaps?

 

[SWP's back]

Brexit dead yet?

 

[PragueBlue]

Brexit dead yet?

Hopefully soon. Then the Scots can have their independence and we'll still be in the EU to veto their membership ;-)

 

[BobKowalski]

Whilst we wait for white smoke a morsel to chew over...

‘Having spoken to Cabinet ministers and No10 figures, it's clear now that the intense fear of a Benn Act extension is what is driving Johnson to get a Brexit deal in place this week. So will the Rebel 21 have been the key to an Oct 31 deal or just a worse one? We will see soon’ @TomNewtonDunn

 

[west didsblue]

Thanks for all the recent likes @mcfc1632
It means a lot to have my own little fanboy. Lucky old WD, as my friends on BM call me (not). Eh Georgie.

 

[AlgarveBlu]

Brexit dead yet?

No, we are in the landing zone now (more cringey brexit speak) so please buckle up and expect some turbulence whilst we overshoot the runway 20 times before the deadline of tonight - latest update from ATC

gabrielabaczynska @gbaczynska




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