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dave_blue12 said:
Cameron in telling porkies shock !
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Either that or remain campaigners didn't listen, didn't comprehend or just dont care what he said and will now claim those words he muttered are a figment of leavers imagination?

Maybe its fake news dave and a fake video made by the Russians and CA?
 
mcfc1632 said:
Good analysis - people should wonder - as I have done - why would the EU not simply bide its time and see if its sycophants can achieve the cancelling of Brexit - but, as you say, it would also be sensible to cash in now and seek to agree a deal that plays to the benefit of the EU.
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Weren't we told that we'd be the ones better off with brexit and the EU would suffer?
 
blueinsa said:
The media will be correct.

Weeks of we must stop no deal and now its we will reject any deal.

Lying fuckers is what they are.

Roll on the GE.
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I believed it the first time someone claimed the opposition parties said that, and i have no reason not to believe you either, but has that actually been said? or just speculated?
Not that i expect them to vote anything through (if there is anything to vote on at all).
 
blueinsa said:
Either that or remain campaigners didn't listen, didn't comprehend or just dont care what he said and will now claim those words he muttered are a figment of leavers imagination?

Maybe its fake news dave and a fake video made by the Russians and CA?
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It doesn't matter what Cameron said. He cannot bind Parliament.

You should try reading more and posting less.
 
Coatigan said:
I believed it the first time someone claimed the opposition parties said that, and i have no reason not to believe you either, but has that actually been said? or just speculated?
Not that i expect them to vote anything through (if there is anything to vote on at all).
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Yep Blackford and Sturgeon have said it yesterday and today and a Labour MP in interview on sky said it this morning.

Pretty sure Corbyn has said it as well but i might be wrong?

Chuka said it yesterday to reaffirm the Lib Dem position.
 
blueinsa said:
Yep Blackford and Sturgeon have said it yesterday and today and a Labour MP in interview on sky said it this morning.

Pretty sure Corbyn has said it as well but i might be wrong?

Chuka said it yesterday to reaffirm the Lib Dem position.
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Fair enough. Not seen them myself, but not surprised. In some ways, the SNP are a given, always have been, they hardly factor in. Given Lib-dems recent campaign and direction, hardly unexpected. So it really is down to labour and the independents.

Either way, needs to agree a deal first, and MPs need to see it.
 
blueinsa said:
Either that or remain campaigners didn't listen, didn't comprehend or just dont care what he said and will now claim those words he muttered are a figment of leavers imagination?

Maybe its fake news dave and a fake video made by the Russians and CA?
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Well that would only be the latest bit of history to be rewritten
 
mcfc1632 said:
Good analysis - people should wonder - as I have done - why would the EU not simply bide its time and see if its sycophants can achieve the cancelling of Brexit - but, as you say, it would also be sensible to cash in now and seek to agree a deal that plays to the benefit of the EU.

It is a win all round for them - they can then hope for the sycophants can latch a confirmatory referendum to that deal as it passes through parliament and then it means that either Brexit is cancelled or the deal in their favour is 'banked'.

The best outcome from a Leaver perspective, IMO, is that there is not a deal presented to parliament - I would hold out for something that the EU will not give if I was BoJo.

I would then 'reluctantly' be forced into asking for an extension

I would then look to win the resulting GE - called without a referendum having been committed

Then if BoJo (that nickname is starting to grow on me - even though I have no liking for him) is not successful then all roads lead to Brexit being cancelled

If BoJo is successful - go back and reopen the negotiations with a mandate and No-Deal as leverage.
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I don't think Boris wants no deal enough to use tactics to get a better deal.

Boris will sell leavers down the river but his spin tactics by pinning things on the EU will ensure that leavers think it is the best thing since sliced bread.

I fully expect him to come out soon and say a deal is sorted with the EU and then he will use all weapons available to get it through. After that everything else like general elections and referendums are irrelevant.

At the moment his only goal is to keep public scrutiny away from the deal because that is what destroyed May. If he can get in a position where basically Parliament is given no choice but any deal on the table or no deal then he will get it through.

He can also threaten the Tories with removing the whip etc like he has done before to make sure they fall into line. Even if they lose the vote then the fault will then lie entirely with the remain bits in Parliament who won't allow us to leave with a deal OR no deal.
 
blueinsa said:
Watch the news mate.

SNP, Lib Dems, Plaid Cymru and lots on the labour side whipped by Corbyn and his front bench have said they will vote against any deal that comes back this week.

That's how anti no deal they are.
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mcfc1632 said:
Source of information he said?

Just open your eyes and ears is all that is required - wow
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Well this must encourage you if only there was a deal to vote on

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...on-wins-more-backing-from-mps-for-brexit-deal
 
mcfc1632 said:
Ok - I accept that I may have made a mistake...

That said it is hard to see exactly where from your response so let's try and narrow it down....

Was it:

1. That - as part of the bailout conditions Ireland agree to change its approach to Corporation Tax?

or

2. Ireland's positioning behind Luxembourg with regard to GDP performance?
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You were stating that in your opinion Ireland were not the victims of GB/UK bullying and then inferring it was perhaps the opposite....i used a ROFLcopter gif, cos im frickin hilarious and I think its a much simpler explanation than your LOOOOONG detailed version.

Its just pay back for 300 odd years brutal oppression.Or sumfink.
 
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mcfc1632 said:
Unicorns and flashing lights mean more to him than inconvenient truths I suspect
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