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Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
From what I’ve read we’d be outside the customs unions completely (norther Ireland slightly different) and the single market completely. A free trade agreement is very different to mays deal
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Yes but they offered this to May in 2016 and she sounded out DUP and Tory opinion and the likes of JRM called it “cretinous”, due to NI being in a separate agreement.

I’m not saying it’s the same as May’s, I’m saying it was offered by the EU in 2016.

This isn’t anything Johnson has done, other than make concessions and take it.
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
It’s labour mps in leave areas that are screwed. There entire argument was they didn’t want no deal. Now we have a deal which is perfectly reasonable.

If they vote against it - it goes against their constituencies and what they have said previously
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Yes, very true, the GE will be interesting, to say the least.
 
Ban-jani said:
Yes but they offered this to May in 2016 and she sounded out DUP and Tory opinion and the likes of JRM called it “cretinous”, due to NI being in a separate agreement.

I’m not saying it’s the same as May’s, I’m saying it was offered by the EU in 2016.

This isn’t anything Johnson has done, other than make concessions and take it.
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To be fair, and I'm not blowing smoke up his arse here, he came into power something like 100 days before the 31st October deadline. Granted, that's a deadline that he set himself but 100 days was never going to be enough time to come up with something completely fresh so it was always going to be a re-hash of May's deal or a resurrection of some other deal.
 
journolud said:
Unlike the leavers who were not at all giddy a few days ago at the prospect of a deal and certainly weren’t telling remainders to man up and accept the inevitable. Now prospects seem to be receding a bit leavers have definitely not resorted to blaming the EU sycophants and whining about the death of democracy.

I’ll save you the bother of rating it, this is a good post.
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The old adage applies....

"self praise is no praise at all..."

I would not have bothered to rate it - but seeing as you raise the subject - it seemed pretty shit TBH
 
Just cant see this deal getting a majority in Parliament.

They will be an extension now! then a another vote in Parliament on another referendum just because the majority in parliament for General election isn't there!

Its never going to end!!
 
M18CTID said:
To be fair, and I'm not blowing smoke up his arse here, he came into power something like 100 days before the 31st October deadline. Granted, that's a deadline that he set himself but 100 days was never going to be enough time to come up with something completely fresh so it was always going to be a re-hash of May's deal or a resurrection of some other deal.
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Yeah I’m not saying that a compromise wasn’t needed and he could have done much more.
 
dave_blue12 said:
This is potentially a route to no deal.

Then Benn Act requires a lawful agreement to be put to Parliament to avoid having to ask for an extension.

This agreement could satisfy the Benn Act, get voted down by Parliament (likely) and lead to a no deal exit.

Except the proposed WA is unlikely to be lawful as it will contravene Section 55 of the Trade Act 2018 which prohibits a British Government treating any part of the UK differently in terms of trade and regulatory framework. This amendment was drafted by non other than the ERG.

Court action is being initiated to prevent Johnson bringing an unlawful WA before Parliament.

I posted about this many pages back but it was lost in the detritus of this thread (as well this post may be)

It is also worth pointing out the the Withdrawl Act 2018 set out procedures and time frames for both the Lords and Commons to properly scrutinise any agreement. This cannot be complied with given the time frame.

There should be an extension but Johnson will do anything to avoid 'dying in a ditch'.
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Well, bugger.
 
aguerrrroooooooooooo said:
I don't see anything but a big conservative win really. Their influence on the media is so strong, if any other party had screwed up this badly over 3 years they'd be finished.
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Neither do I, but unlike yourself, I don't use the media as a reason, this country is traditionally centre-right, plus folk
have been watching the antics of a labour party that still has no recognisable stance on Brexit, has a leader about as welcome as
a Rags season ticket for a Christmas present, and can't make its mind up about anything.
All this against a Tory government that has offered up one balls up after another, and Bozza is still well ahead.
Strange times.
 
dave_blue12 said:
This is potentially a route to no deal.

Then Benn Act requires a lawful agreement to be put to Parliament to avoid having to ask for an extension.

This agreement could satisfy the Benn Act, get voted down by Parliament (likely) and lead to a no deal exit.

Except the proposed WA is unlikely to be lawful as it will contravene Section 55 of the Trade Act 2018 which prohibits a British Government treating any part of the UK differently in terms of trade and regulatory framework. This amendment was drafted by non other than the ERG.

Court action is being initiated to prevent Johnson bringing an unlawful WA before Parliament.

I posted about this many pages back but it was lost in the detritus of this thread (as well this post may be)

It is also worth pointing out the the Withdrawl Act 2018 set out procedures and time frames for both the Lords and Commons to properly scrutinise any agreement. This cannot be complied with given the time frame.

There should be an extension but Johnson will do anything to avoid 'dying in a ditch'.
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Good post. There is also the issue of a legal text. What has been agreed is the key points. The process of generating a legal text is normally 6 months as all sides argue over the fine detail. To do this in a matter of days is massively high risk as you don't know what slight wrinkles might slip through. Any EU member state or MP would be well within their rights to ask for a good deal of time to review the text, whenever it is available. To suggest it can be voted on this Saturday is just wrong in principle - there would have to be a 2nd vote in the HoC and HoL once the detail is known and that in reality requires an extension. Call it a technical extension but it is still an extension.

That ditch is coming into the game.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
Neither do I, but unlike yourself, I don't use the media as a reason, this country is traditionally centre-right, plus folk
have been watching the antics of a labour party that still has no recognisable stance on Brexit, has a leader about as welcome as
a Rags season ticket for a Christmas present, and can't make its mind up about anything.
All this against a Tory government that has offered up one balls up after another, and Bozza is still well ahead.
Strange times.
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Labours stance is pretty clear, they want a second referendum.
I agree they won't win an election with Corbyn though
 
aguerrrroooooooooooo said:
I don't see anything but a big conservative win really. Their influence on the media is so strong, if any other party had screwed up this badly over 3 years they'd be finished.
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And they would be if there was a viable opposition. It's a truly damning indictment on the current state of the Labour Party that the shower of incompetent bastards in power now would likely walk a general election.
 
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