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Bookmark this for Saturday evening.

I'm accepting of what will transpire on Saturday and looking forwards to the day of reckoning that a GE will bring for many of them.

Ultimately though we will leave the EU.

You know that and by all means celebrate your wins like this coming Saturday but brexit isn't going away until its done.

Still lets celebrate an agreed deal that you all said was impossible just a few days ago ;-)
 
I can think of several Remainers that I assume this post must be aimed at


It’s aimed at anyone that does it.

You do realise that just because there was a binary vote doesn’t mean everyone is subsequently binary in their actions and behaviour...?
 
Farage is saying the deal is also shit (although to be fair, every word that comes out of Farage's mouth is like a small turd bouncing down his chin so there's the possibility it is a good deal).

Any deal is shit because it the effective end of him as a politician.

It takes him and his party out of the frame.
 
Sky News in full promote the deal.

Same Coates their political wonk just said the vote will be close.

Unless he means close to a clusterfuck.
 
It's a circus, from everyone i'm seeing interviewed it seems this deal could well be worse than May's.

More concerning is how the hell can this be pushed though on Saturday when it is only being released today, fuck me the devil is always in the detail and there is next to no time to digest it.
 
Bang on. And he has taken some detail out on regulatory alignment and watered it down to reference to a FTA. The reality is that the watering down is meaningless as the FTA is yet to be agreed and everything that has been removed will just get stuck back in to the FTA down the line. He will claim he has won concessions around a FTA, he hasn't he has just taken some detail out that will re appear later. This is pretty blatant - its throwing the DUP under the bus so the EU will agree and then making meaningless changes in order to claim some grand victory.

I would expect a number of ERG to see their arse on this. In fact don't rule out another whopping defeat.

There will be a total lack of interest in the detail both in here and in the public, sadly.
 
Another nail in the Labour party coffin.

Another spectacular own goal as they fail to understand the mood of the country, not least their own leave areas in the North.
Two things.

Mood of the country? Debatable what that mood is.
Secondly even if the mood is pro leave, the Labour party are entitled to think that the public is wrong on this. They should go with what they think is right not with what will get them the most votes.
 
I wonder how may are thinking fuck, we should have had a VoNC when we could as this deal has pissed on a few chips and put them in a position of them saying to the country i no i said i dont want no deal but really i lied and i dont want any deal.

Ooops!
 
It's a circus, from everyone i'm seeing interviewed it seems this deal could well be worse than May's.

More concerning is how the hell can this be pushed though on Saturday when it is only being released today, fuck me the devil is always in the detail and there is next to no time to digest it.

Get the guys who did the Benn act on it.

Couple of hours, bish bash bosh, done!

No need for detail or digesting in their world.
 
Is there not something in the deal that would allow Sinn Fein to collapse Stormont and bring down the whole agreement. Is this not one of the DUP sticking points?

Not entirely because the U.K. Govt can hold an assembly vote on this issue even if Stormont isn’t sitting which makes sense. The problem for the DUP is that the EU alignment and customs border in the Irish Sea is the default and there is little chance that a majority will ever vote to put up a land border. The DUP wanted the default to be full U.K. alignment but the EU policy as a special measure which they could pull the plug on. They wanted control of the process. Sinn Fein don’t have a veto either but they do have the votes to block a move away from EU alignment.
 
Any point in an extension now ??

The eu have just negotiated a deal. They aren’t going to want to renegotiate it again

The EU should fuck us straight off if we were to attempt any negotiation again.

We have had 3.5 years and god knows how may attempts to resolve this.
 
Fuck me you’re horrendous at understanding posts.

The Cabinet of May’s, in which Johnson was present, rejected this Irish Sea border proposal in 2016.

I know what they’ve done.

No credit must go to him, he’s just gone back to what was previously offered.

What was previously offered was apparently off the table.... Mays deal was the only deal.

I never thought you would offer any credit. Anything but brexit. Doesn’t matter what the deal is you’d still be moaning
 
I'm accepting of what will transpire on Saturday and looking forwards to the day of reckoning that a GE will bring for many of them.

Ultimately though we will leave the EU.

You know that and by all means celebrate your wins like this coming Saturday but brexit isn't going away until its done.

Still lets celebrate an agreed deal that you all said was impossible just a few days ago ;-)

How about we call it a deal when the EU and the HOC have all agreed to it, without further votes or referendums. Then we can have a party.

Until then my view is unchanged from circa August 2018 where I said the Tories are backing themselves into an unworkable form of brexit and its a corner they wont get out of, as a result we will not leave. I stand by that.
 
Not entirely because the U.K. Govt can hold an assembly vote on this issue even if Stormont isn’t sitting which makes sense. The problem for the DUP is that the EU alignment and customs border in the Irish Sea is the default and there is little chance that a majority will ever vote to put up a land border. The DUP wanted the default to be full U.K. alignment but the EU policy as a special measure which they could pull the plug on. They wanted control of the process. Sinn Fein don’t have a veto either but they do have the votes to block a move away from EU alignment.

And perhaps in future to call for greater EU alignment.
 
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