I rejoined Momentum this morning and as much as I think we should leave, any Labour MP that votes for a deal that removes workers rights is quite rightly finished.
I have posted that Brexit was never really just about Brexit it was also about the destruction of the Labour party and the chance for permanent rule for the Tories. A back door to a one party state, a state free to become the Singapore on Thames neo-liberal dreamland of the hard right.
Agree with most of that but you can include the people in that equation -when the story of Brexit is retold to future generations, Chapter 2 will begin with ' Boris made himself comfortable in his favourite chair as the rain lashed against his cottage window, he drew a piece of parchment from his old Bullington notebook and began with the words 'reason to remain'
Youré right he has played everybody like a cheap fiddle but he has also had to continually reposition himself multiple times as the playing field has been turned upside down from within and without and from a strategical point of view he should get credit for that; although he really does owe Jezza a large one next time he sees him at the HOC bar.
A tie, then it comes down to Mr Speaker to decide.
Imagine the pressure of that, one man in a democracy deciding the future of the nation.
I rejoined Momentum this morning and as much as I think we should leave, any Labour MP that votes for a deal that removes workers rights is quite rightly finished.
Who says I’m upset? As I’ve said before it should be up to NI as to whether this is acceptable either by a referendum or by agreement by a majority of MPs there. It’s a new status that’s being imposed on them otherwise.Checks done at the ports of entry was also foretold was it not?
Bless you all upset at the sellout of the unionists given the way you have talked about them for 3 years.
Anyway dids, cant be arsed arguing with you any longer on this as it looks like the end game really is in sight and well, you wont get what you wanted or said you would.
August.
The best part of the previous 3 years Ban?
So long as it gets voted through tomorrow you can think what you like, it matters not one jot but we wont agree on that, ever.
It seems to me that this situation is actually very very simple. I've had my "road to Damascus" moment, but others seem to be struggling with it, so let me explain where I am coming from.
1. We had a referendum which I am sure everyone will agree, despite all our preferences, reservations, objections or what-have-you's, was positioned as a, once-in-life-time binary vote on whether we should stay in, or Leave. And also there was a universal commitment from all involved that the result would be respected.
2. Realising what a cluster-fuck this was, I chose to ignore this and argued passionately for a full reversal or a second referendum in order to get the result I'd have preferred. In hindsight, this was wrong. The result must be honoured. For two reasons, (a) because to not do so, would destroy all faith in democracy in this country and (b) because those who voted Leave will never let it drop anyway. We cannot move on, and start addressing all the problems in society - the very things that many people were driven to vote Leave over - until we move on and Leave.
3. There can no justification from rejecting a democratic referendum result. However, if there was to be one, then the only plausible objection might be that no-one voted to leave without a deal. That people were told there would be a deal. That the economy will be trashed without a deal. We now have a deal, so that objection is eiiminated and can no longer be valid.
Therefore the ONLY sensible option, the only morally acceptable option, is now for MPs to vote to accept the deal. I think enough of them will realise this and it will be passed.
People on the ground don’t from a purely economical argument.What's surprising is why NI would even want to be part of this shambles.
Yes mate we did. I still think it's a complete clusterfuck of a decision, but sadly that's what we voted for. "Trust the electorate"? Do me a favour, they are cretins in large number. But they are cretins with a vote, so we are stuck with it.Always knew you was sensible but boy did we have some fucking rows over this ;-)
Yes mate we did. I still think it's a complete clusterfuck of a decision, but sadly that's what we voted for. "Trust the electorate"? Do me a favour, they are cretins in large number. But they are cretins with a vote, so we are stuck with it.
The inconvenient truth.We get asked to vote all the time and often, history proves we have made a huge fucking mistake but it is our mistake to make.
Even more so when Parliament gave their sovereignty over to us and said very clearly this is your decision and we will do whatever you instruct us to do.
Yes mate we did. I still think it's a complete clusterfuck of a decision, but sadly that's what we voted for. "Trust the electorate"? Do me a favour, they are cretins in large number. But they are cretins with a vote, so we are stuck with it.
Listened to RTÉ radio 1 this morning and a very good discussion that had Ben Lowry representing the Unionist view.Continued proof of the old adage - Never Trust A Tory
I dunno? Who does? Have they been? Seems they are all Corbyn and McDonnell ever pander to.And who says the working class have been abandoned by the two major parties?
They also want in.He is utterly fucking useless but deliberately so on brexit because he is a leaver.
McDonnell is a leaver.
Dont believe a fucking word they utter about no deal this or bad deal that.
They want out.