Another new Brexit thread

[The blue phantom]

If he does write that letter for the extension it would be nice if Jezza presented him with a shovel in Parliament.

 

[Rascal]

And some harsh stuff on Johnson. I'm quite aghast as to the aggressive tone if I'm honest
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I have toned down my opprobrium towards the clown.

The man is a fool, a narcissistic liar and he is not good for the country.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

The whole problem is that MP's don't want us to leave and whatever deal is proposed it's going to be opposed. One good thing to come out of this is the voting public can see just how disgraceful all MP's are from every corner of this rotten house.

Perhaps .... just perhaps ...... they fully understand the impact it will have on their constituents ........... Leavers have moved a long way from 'Sunny uplands and things will be so much better' to 'it'll be difficult and may take us 50 years to recover' and 'we don't mind trashing workers rights & environmental and consumer protections' simply to fulfil an ideological vision in their minds (each vision being different )

Just saying .....

 

[kaz7]

Some unbelievable comments on here.
And some harsh stuff on Johnson. I'm quite aghast as to the aggressive tone if I'm honest
The facts are we had a referendum in 2016 and we live in a democracy.
The decision should be implemented irrespective of how people voted.

Boris is a proven liar,lied to parliament and the queen and shut down parliament to push through the deal he wants which shit on the country going fowards,no-one voted for the bollocks he and may have come up with,leaving is just the beginning,we can't stitch up the country for generations just to leave,the ref question was ridiculous,it was wrapped up as stopping dirty immigrants coming here,we were sold lie after lie from all sides,the reality of leaving has sunk in and we must get it right for the good of everyone,those screaming but we voted out are so desperates to get their own way they will take any crap

 

[urban genie]

Or didn't bother because they were told ... many times that


It was a non binding referendum

tbf cameron always said he would honour it.

And the little bit of info given said the result would stand either way.

It was always binding

 

[Ban-jani]

What a joke we are

 

[BLUEMATT23]

The DUP campaigned to leave, but they're against this deal. They want Brexit but not in the way Johnson is trying to implement it. The only way to get it through is by having a second ref on a deal or finding a deal a majority of MPs can back. I've explained this on here before, we're a direct democracy unlike you lot, our government couldn't legally ask us such a vague question as you lot got asked.

I'll ask you a direct question if remain won would their have been a big clamour for a 2nd referendum?
If remain wins the 2nd potential ref should we win then have a 3rd one?
How about a best of 7?

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Dear eu

Please could we have an extension of 1 minute to the deadline

Thanks

Boris

 

[George Hannah]

What he's saying, is that all the referendum did, is give MPs tacit permission to carry out the process of leaving as they saw fit. It didn't lay out a specific process by which it should be carried out.

Explicit not tacit and crucially the referendum result means that leaving the EU should be carried out. @Rascal's concept of democracy is completely and irremedially up the spout.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

The Tory rebels who voted for this extension will vote for the deal when it comes back. Boris has the numbers, this deal is happening.

Quality pharmaceuticals where you are then ....

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Why does everyone in The DUP dress and look like they are trapped in the 1970s?

 

[mexico1970]

Perhaps .... just perhaps ...... they fully understand the impact it will have on their constituents ........... Leavers have moved along way from 'Sunny uplands and things will be so much better' to 'it'll be difficult and may take us 50 years to recover' and 'we don't mind trashing workers rights & environmental and consumer protections' simply to fulfil an ideological vision in their minds (each vision being different )

Just saying .....

That's not the point I am making really, what they are doing is murdering the democratic process of this country and they don't seem to care. I voted to remain, that isn't going to happen and if there is a soft Brexit the shit will hit the fan in this country. Maybe that's what's needed in the end it'll be interesting to see how it plays out.
At least if they want to stop Brexit and kill it they should admit it so that voters can vote them out in the next election instead of saying that they are going to respect the result of the referendum, they haven't even got the guts to be honest.

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

Why does everyone in The DUP dress and look like they are trapped in the 1970s?

Because they are.

 

[hgblue]

Quality pharmaceuticals where you are then ....

Do the Maths mate, this deal is getting passed.

 

[blueinsa]

Do the Maths mate, this deal is getting passed.

Agree but yet again today they frustrate and show the country how fucking deceitful and desperate they are to stop brexit.

Little doubt the SNP will be in the courts first thing Monday to claim some other law is being broken.

 

[dave_blue12]

I have toned down my opprobrium towards the clown.

The man is a fool, a narcissistic liar and he is not good for the country.

Sorry but I can't have that.

You missed out corrupt, self entitled oaf.

If the truth ever gets out, much like Trump, he will find himself in jail.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Agree but yet again today they frustrate and show the country how fucking deceitful and desperate they are to stop brexit.

Little doubt the SNP will be in the courts first thing Monday to claim some other law is being broken.

That’s why I was against this last night and you thought it was ok, this just gives them more time to plot and block cos it’s fun.

 

[kaz7]

I'll ask you a direct question if remain won would their have been a big clamour for a 2nd referendum?
If remain wins the 2nd potential ref should we win then have a 3rd one?
How about a best of 7?

If we had voted remain we would have carried on the same,it's voting leave that has caused all these problems,i heard a lot of people moaning the day after that we hadn't left,they thought we just walked through a door the next day and that was us left,so with respect you question shows a lack of understanding

 

[BLUEMATT23]

Boris is a proven liar,lied to parliament and the queen and shut down parliament to push through the deal he wants which shit on the country going fowards,no-one voted for the bollocks he and may have come up with,leaving is just the beginning,we can't stitch up the country for generations just to leave,the ref question was ridiculous,it was wrapped up as stopping dirty immigrants coming here,we were sold lie after lie from all sides,the reality of leaving has sunk in and we must get it right for the good of everyone,those screaming but we voted out are so desperates to get their own way they will take any crap

I note your comments but your wrong on a lot of them I'm sorry to say. To reiterate the public had a vote leave or remain.
Leave won and people who like to see democracy enacted. It's quite simple really.

 

[aguero93:20]

I'll ask you a direct question if remain won would their have been a big clamour for a 2nd referendum?
If remain wins the 2nd potential ref should we win then have a 3rd one?
How about a best of 7?

There would have, from Farage as he confirmed himself. JRM wanted a confirmatory referendum on any deal right up until the result came in. But that's nothing to do with it. You didn't vote on a specific future relationship (as we would have to), you voted to leave the EU. Your representatives are arguing about the best way to implement that, bar the SNP and Lib Dems who mostly represent remain constituencies and are fighting to remain. 52% voted to leave, now the trick is getting them to agree on a certain version of leave that's better to them than remaining, or that a majority of the HOC are happy to implement. The referendum question wasn't "shall we change our future relationship with the EU to whatever the unelected minority leading PM decides he likes on any specific day of the week". You wanted sovereignty, you always had it but this is your sovereign body carrying out their duty in what they see as being in the best interests of the country.
If you wanted to be a direct democracy instead, you should have campaigned for that. The most successful ones are in the EU or basically EFTA (Switzerland).