Var debate 2019/20

franksinatra said:
It was not the most ridiculous decision as it was not even the worst decision of the five games played, most sensible people would agree with that
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Masterful stuff.

Dress another wum up inside of a post saying you're not wumming.

Brilliant.
 
Paladin said:
If one subscribes to the theory that Liverpool are favoured for the league this season, or that the authorities do not want City to win a third consecutive title, then this becomes blatantly obvious.

We have heard FA or PL executives talk of having a competitive league, and the success of certain teams is important to achieve this. We have heard them say they want new winners of the PL every few seasons. We have seen certain teams favoured by being awarded an inordinate number of penalties in relation to their attacking play. We have seen VAR consistently applied incorrectly, where it refuses to overturn an on field refereeing decision. We know referees have been provided with the means to review their own decisions, but not once so far have they availed themselves of that opportunity. And we know that PIGMOL (presumably with the authority of the PL, who are their main employer) gave set this "high bar" for overturning decisions.

Well, with all this in mind, we have the perfect mechanism for tipping the scales in favour of a chosen team. All Liverpool penalty claims no matter how soft or legitimate, are given immediately. Upon review, even the slightest contact is deemed a foul so the decision stands under the "high bar" interpretation. For all other teams, those penalties are not given and when reviewed, the soft contact is not deemed to be strong enough to be considered a clear and obvious error, so the non-penalty decision is ratified.

For marginal offside calls, blow up immediately the flag is raised and prevent a goal being scored, preventing the chance of a VAR review. But for the favoured team, let play continue, giving the chance of a goal being scored before a review adjudicates on it.

And in some cases, just change the interpretation to suit the favoured team. IFAB has stated that if the ball touches any part of the hand or arm of an attacking player in the lead up to a goal, then the goal is disallowed. Yet we have seen two occasions where this has been ignored by the VAR.

It is becoming obvious that VAR is being used as a vehicle for fixing the eventual outcome of the league.
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Pretty detailed analysis which is hard to argue against. Thanks for posting
 
blueinsa said:
Masterful stuff.

Dress another wum up inside of a post saying you're not wumming.

Brilliant.
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So you think the decision was worse than the Delofeu foul?

You wum everyday mate, been chucking wild insinuations about Leicester City today but your view is so entrenched you cannot see it.

But thanks for the compliment even though a bit undeserved.
 
franksinatra said:
So you think the decision was worse than the Delofeu foul?
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Equally as bad but then i dont come on here saying it wasn't.

I'm not the one on a City forum making excuses for the refs week in, week out or telling other City fans they are wrong and making up some agenda.

Own your notoriety Frank, dont whinge about it because its the very thing you crave and is your entire existence on this forum.

VAR is porn for you, ready made material, you love it.
 
willipp said:
I know they were both shockers but there is a big difference between the two. Manes pen was given by the ref and de bruynes wasn’t. It seems VAR is basically void for overturning penalty decisions and it’s a sham that there is even a check. The pantomime of giving the VAR sign and check should just be scrapped apart from say offsides and handballs. It’s pointless for the rest as they clearly have been told to overturn nothing.
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Correct so nowt changes regarding the scousers but for us referees will not give us anything and say well Var is there to over turn any of my bad calls so referee gets a free an easy ride as well as those cheating K@NTS in the var box.
 
franksinatra said:
It was hardly the biggest error in the world, just being ridiculously promoted on here as if it was the gravest of errors to suit the narrative.

In real time it would have been a very difficult decision to make.
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Not relevant, that's what VAR is there for. No complications with regards to "did he get a touch.....etc", as he painfully obviously made no attempt, whatsoever, to get anywhere near the ball, "was there any contact with KDB ?, and if so, was it sufficient to cause him to go to ground? " Hmmmmmmm! Both arms, and one almighty shove, causing him to go in the totally opposite direction to that which he intended, ie pushed away from the ball.

Sorry, no confusion, no debate, foul, penalty. The only real debate should have been, "did the referee see it clearly, give it, and VAR confirm it, or did the referee fail to give it, for ANY reason, in which case VAR, either tells him he's missed it, he's wrong, or he needs to check on monitor," either way - PENALTY.

Unless of course KDB was diving, like he does every week, like all City players!
 
waspish said:
Correct so nowt changes regarding the scousers but for us referees will not give us anything and say well Var is there to over turn any of my bad calls so referee gets a free an easy ride as well as those cheating K@NTS in the var box.
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That’s exactly what fucks me off more than anything else. VAR isn’t the problem, those ****s in the VAR box do nothing. What annoys me even more is that they don’t even advise the ref to look at it on the screen.
 
trublue55 said:
Not relevant, that what VAR is there for. No complications with regards to "did he get a touch.....etc", as he painfully obviously made no attempt, whatsoever, to get anywhere near the ball, "was there any contact with KDB ?, and if so, was it sufficient to cause him to go to ground? " Hmmmmmmm! Both arms, and one almighty shove, causing him to go in the totally opposite direction to that which he intended, ie pushed away from the ball.

Sorry, no confusion, no debate, foul, penalty. The only real debate should have been, "did the referee see it clearly, give it, and VAR confirm it, or did the referee fail to give it, for ANY reason, in which case VAR, either tells him he's missed it, he's wrong, or he needs to check on monitor," either way - PENALTY.

Unless of course KDB was diving, like he does every week, like all City players!
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It is relevant because whether you, me etc think it should be applied the fact is it has not overturned one decision yet. That is the reality of the situation so people complaining their is bias because it did not overturn the decision well that is actually consistent with all other decisions.

Do I think it was a pen, yes I do so the problem to me is the officiating at the game which sadly is consistent with the rest of the refereeing this weekend all though I appreciate this will bother the thought police.

You can scream in the face that is what VAR is there for but its pretty clear that is not how its being adopted so no I never expected VAR to overturn it.
 
willipp said:
That’s exactly what fucks me off more than anything else. VAR isn’t the problem, those ****s in the VAR box do nothing. What annoys me even more is that they don’t even advise the ref to look at it on the screen.
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I would agree with that. How often as a ref looked at a screen?

The VAR officials need to be allowed to be more proactive and if required refer to the ref.

Surely the logical thing is if a decision is not ‘clear and obvious’ VAR refer it back to the ref to check his own decision?
 
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