Spot on mate
It warms my cockles to see so many of those that have been adamant in the view that the only good Brexit is a dead Brexit - now changing their positions.
I see this as a positive development for those of us that have held the line for years
I have wondered in the past whether the strength of argument has been related to just wanting to be on the winning side on an internet forum - starting to think along these lines again.
Perhaps there is a new group forming?
Maybe the collective noun for those evolving their position could be a 'Len' ;-)
Just teasing BTW - before anyone gets precious
Ha - getting the excuses in early?That was probably correct prior to Brexit fatigue kicking in on both sides.
Was it? There's 1.8m people in NI, and how many of them are so up in arms? Half perhaps? Most could probably not give a toss. Either see how it goes and stick with it, or up sticks and move to the UK if life is so absolutely intolerable being more closely aligned to EU rules. They WANTED to be aligned with EU rules when they voted Remain FFS.Either way half the country is pissed off. Scotland is pissed off no matter which way and NI has seen a willingness by the English to have its economy carved out of our Union. Press the brakes or press the accelerator I reckon it’s too late no matter what we do.
The NI sell out was a big line to cross and we crossed it.
The good news though surely is - should we ever get to that stage having properly left - that 100% of posters on here will be promoting the same best outcome for the UKThe real fun and games would start when we get into negotiating a free trade deal. There is a belief that we will get a FTA that basically replicates what we have now the full SM and CU membership. There would be a very rude awakening when the detail starts to emerge.
Ha - getting the excuses in early?
If that was even to be remotely plausible then surely Brexit fatigue would be reflected in a massive Remain majority just to 'stop it'.
We have of course been promised this was the case anyway - even without the fatigue factor - have Remainers been over-confident?
Was it? There's 1.8m people in NI, and how many of them are so up in arms? Half perhaps? Most could probably not give a toss. Either see how it goes and stick with it, or up sticks and move to the UK if life is so absolutely intolerable being more closely aligned to EU rules. They WANTED to be aligned with EU rules when they voted Remain FFS.
I just can’t see bercow allowing the vote. He loves the attention and power too much.
I am not looking to provoke anything - and yes I can see absolutely that many will share your view that leaving with this deal is '..... less so (damaging) than the worst case scenario....' which you suggest No-Deal represents.We should leave with a deal, it’s still 50/50 in the polls or there abouts and every other direction, than leaving with a deal, will cause further social issues and distrust in the general population.
That said, Brexit is still shit. This deal will still make us poorer and the country weaker.
Just less so than the worst case scenario.
Those of us that are happy for it to pass are just compromising and appreciate a FTA is much much better than no deal.
Maybe, maybe not. Think there are the votes there. Most would vote for this blind right now.
It’s a bit like the Iraq war vote. You shut your eyes and go with the flow and end up in a mess of shit later.
I am not looking to provoke anything - and yes I can see absolutely that many will share your view that leaving with this deal is '..... less so (damaging) than the worst case scenario....' which you suggest No-Deal represents.
Just as an aside - and as I say meant non-provocatively - purely from a POV of view of managing negotiations......…….
Whether you absolutely hate the thought or not - can there be any doubt that the last weeks have proven the pressure that a No-Deal outcome can achieve in focussing peoples minds
Everyone has moved - the UK team - the EU team - FFS even posters on here and...…. perhaps even now we are witnessing the HoC moving
Just saying
It's our parliamentary democracy, which apparently we wanted more of so that's OK then.I would take the vote, but he won’t allow it.
That’s democracy.
I am not looking to provoke anything - and yes I can see absolutely that many will share your view that leaving with this deal is '..... less so (damaging) than the worst case scenario....' which you suggest No-Deal represents.
Just as an aside - and as I say meant non-provocatively - purely from a POV of view of managing negotiations......…….
Whether you absolutely hate the thought or not - can there be any doubt that the last weeks have proven the pressure that a No-Deal outcome can achieve in focussing peoples minds
Everyone has moved - the UK team - the EU team - FFS even posters on here and...…. perhaps even now we are witnessing the HoC moving
Just saying
I just can’t see bercow allowing the vote. He loves the attention and power too much.
Polls are useless imo. I'm certain leave would win in a second ref as most of the UK media is hell bent on us leaving.Almost 50/50 the UK in one poll :)
UK, Opinium poll:
European Union Membership Referendum
Remain: 49.8%
Leave with Johnson Deal: 50.2%
Fieldwork: 15-17 October 2019
Sample Size: 2,001
We should leave with a deal, it’s still 50/50 in the polls or there abouts and every other direction, than leaving with a deal, will cause further social issues and distrust in the general population.
That said, Brexit is still shit. This deal will still make us poorer and the country weaker.
Just less so than the worst case scenario.
Those of us that are happy for it to pass are just compromising and appreciate a FTA is much much better than no deal.
I'll save you time.This is a genuine question to leavers: If Labour won a GE in the next few months on a second referendum led campaign, what would you feel about that? Would it be democratic and fair enough or would you be seething?
This is a genuine question to leavers: If Labour won a GE in the next few months on a second referendum led campaign, what would you feel about that? Would it be democratic and fair enough or would you be seething?