Some leave campaigners / supporters would push . Think a large chunk including my mum and some regulars in my coffee shop have had enough and getting out of this one way or another have little appetite to reopen this once either a leave or remain lid is put on it.I’m not a leaver but will answer anyway-
It’d be absolutely fair enough as that is a mandate to enact their manifesto. That said it wouldn’t put an end to all the madness, it’d kick the can down the road, as the leave support in the UK will push for another referendum, following the 2nd one. We could be here for decades.
Personally, I don’t know how anyone can really say if they’re happy or not as there’s been no detail published yet. I can’t say whether that compromise is worth it or not as I don’t know what it fully is.
I do get why people want it to pass regardless, I’m concerned when MPs are happy for that without knowing the detail though, I think that’s a dereliction of duty on their part. Ditto if they reject it without knowing that detail too.
Polls are useless imo. I'm certain leave would win in a second ref as most of the UK media is hell bent on us leaving.
When you control the media you usually control the people.
It would be entirely democratic... and I would feel Labour had betrayed every single leave voter after they said they'd "honour the result" amidst years of stating "we have to leave..." only to offer no solutions, options or methods, delaying and voting against a possible deal at every turn, because they're seemingly obsessed with "Powah".This is a genuine question to leavers: If Labour won a GE in the next few months on a second referendum led campaign, what would you feel about that? Would it be democratic and fair enough or would you be seething?
They have offered , and those solutions were much closer to your ideal Brexit than any of the Tory solutions and deals. They are still as far as I know offering a Brexit solution but willing toputting that to a confirmation vote. I can't see why that's bad.only to offer no solutions, options or methods
A great majority read from the same hymn sheet and seem incapable of criticising 'their team'It was quite mad on Saturday walking in to the supermarket and seeing the Sun, Express, Mail, Telegraph and Times lined up all with similar headlines, which were all editorial opinion rather than just reporting the news.
I don’t overly mind it (I prefer reading opinions that differ from my own anyway), there’s not a balance overall though.
This is coming from the party of Dominic Raab, the man who didn't realise Dover was so important to British trade due to our being an island, and Chris Grayling. The bar is set very low with this lot.Revealed today that Stephen Barclay was not aware that NI firms would need to fill out export paperwork to trade with the UK under BoJos deal.
1) How could he not know that!
2) If he didn't know that what else do he and other senior tories not know about this deal?
Oh here we go...They have offered , and those solutions were much closer to your ideal Brexit than any of the Tory solutions and deals. They are still as far as I know offering a Brexit solution but willing toputting that to a confirmation vote. I can't see why that's bad.
It would be entirely democratic... and I would feel Labour had betrayed every single leave voter after they said they'd "honour the result" amidst years of stating "we have to leave..." only to offer no solutions, options or methods, delaying and voting against a possible deal at every turn, because they're seemingly obsessed with "Powah".
I'd accept the result, and we'd move on, but Labour would never be able to canvass my vote on anything again.
I'd only be seething about the imminent meltdown for the country as they began to destroy the economyThis is a genuine question to leavers: If Labour won a GE in the next few months on a second referendum led campaign, what would you feel about that? Would it be democratic and fair enough or would you be seething?
I wouldn't worry mate. Labour are a minimum of 10-15 years away from winning an election.
Theyve lurched so far and so fast to the right that anyone who is attracted to them may as well do the honest thing and vote conservative. All in the name of getting Jeremy and John a matching pair of ermine overcoats.
It's a sad state of affairs when the British working class have to rely on a right wing Tory govt to enact their wishes.
Inevitably the case I think.I just can’t see bercow allowing the vote. He loves the attention and power too much.
Ever since 1992 when the infamous Sun headline "It's The Sun Wot Won It" made its appearance it's been clear that the news media has an unhealthy influence on the decisions of the electorate by its insistence on stating opinion as fact. There's something wrong when a small number of plutocrats who own 60% of the media can have such influence. It would also be wrong to do anything about it as it would be seen as an assault on the free press. No idea what the answer is because like it or not much of the population are influenced by headlines and sound bites and aren't interested in detail. That's why we've heard Johnson incessantly spout his "Get Brexit Done", "Surrender Bill", "They Won't Let Us Leave" etc. etc. It's vague enough not to be directly challenged and it works.It was quite mad on Saturday walking in to the supermarket and seeing the Sun, Express, Mail, Telegraph and Times lined up all with similar headlines, which were all editorial opinion rather than just reporting the news.
I don’t overly mind it (I prefer reading opinions that differ from my own anyway), there’s not a balance overall though.
Because allowing it goes against Parliamentary rules.Inevitably the case I think.
It would be entirely democratic... and I would feel Labour had betrayed every single leave voter after they said they'd "honour the result" amidst years of stating "we have to leave..." only to offer no solutions, options or methods, delaying and voting against a possible deal at every turn, because they're seemingly obsessed with "Powah".
I'd accept the result, and we'd move on, but Labour would never be able to canvass my vote on anything again.
*cough* Benn Act. There is currently no ‘no deal’ pressure. What you are witnessing is pressure to get something done after almost three years. Fatigue and the fact we have run out of options leaving only the terms currently on the table.
Also Johnson pivoted from no deal to get a deal no matter what. So there’s that.
:)It would be entirely democratic... and I would feel Labour had betrayed every single leave voter after they said they'd "honour the result" amidst years of stating "we have to leave..." only to offer no solutions, options or methods, delaying and voting against a possible deal at every turn, because they're seemingly obsessed with "Powah".
I'd accept the result, and we'd move on, but Labour would never be able to canvass my vote on anything again.
I wouldn't worry mate. Labour are a minimum of 10-15 years away from winning an election.
Theyve lurched so far and so fast to the right that anyone who is attracted to them may as well do the honest thing and vote conservative. All in the name of getting Jeremy and John a matching pair of ermine overcoats.
It's a sad state of affairs when the British working class have to rely on a right wing Tory govt to enact their wishes.
All ‘foreign’ owned or domiciled off shore as well. The penny will drop one day but much too late I fear.Ever since 1992 when the infamous Sun headline "It's The Sun Wot Won It" made its appearance it's been clear that the news media has an unhealthy influence on the decisions of the electorate. There's something wrong when a small number of plutocrats who own 60% of the media can have such influence. It would also be wrong to do anything about it as it would be seen as an assault on the free press. No idea what the answer is because like it or not much of the population are influenced by headlines and sound bites and aren't interested in detail. That's why we've heard Johnson incessantly spout his "Get Brexit Done", "Surrender Bill", "They Won't Let Us Leave" etc. etc. It's vague enough not to be directly challenged and it works.