Another new Brexit thread

[denislawsbackheel]

On this occasion I think that he is entirely correct

On other occasions he has clearly acted in a manner that is not impartial

Therefore he is clearly a failure in his role

I would hope that a) history recognises that fact after he is replaced by someone fit to undertake the role without obsessive self-interest and b) that any of the usual 'perks' that are bestowed on a departing speaker are withheld to ensure the point that he is not worth of them is made

idiotic post.
Bercow is a brilliant speaker stopping the right wing putsch getting every thing their own way.

 

[SWP's back]

You need that brexit wank sock back mate?

/irony

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

I know. And we also know that NI is not governed by majority rule. It is governed by cross community consensus. Either everybody buys in or no one buys in. That is the basis for NI rule. The new arrangements state that if they are renewed by cross community support then they are set for 8 years not 4 thereby allowing the disgruntled side to revisit the issue earlier.

Really? How did the abortion law get passed today, as I thought one side was opposed?

 

[blueinsa]

idiotic post.
Bercow is a brilliant speaker stopping the right wing putsch getting every thing their own way.

The Benn act demanded a meaningful vote on a deal lol.

Brilliant work from those behind it and agent Bercow.

 

[mcfc1632]

Who gives a fuck apparently it’s the biggest thing since the Second World War apparently and this little jumped up twat wants to not allow a vote on the Eu deal a technicality

bullshit

"...little jumped up twat.." - bang on

I was thinking of ways to describe this self-serving slippery fucker - but that will do for me;-)

 

[blueinsa]

/irony

I'm saving mine for when we leave.

Going to get abused to fuck when we do as well.

 

[west didsblue]

The Benn act demanded a meaningful vote on a deal lol.

Brilliant work from those behind it and agent Bercow.

It's called representative democracy.

 

[SWP's back]

I'm saving mine for when we leave.

Going to get abused to fuck when we do as well.

I wouldn’t abuse anyone. I understand the reasons why people want to leave. I just don’t think they outweigh the potential downsides.

I’d be far too depressed about the immediate future to abuse anyone I think.

 

[Ban-jani]

I don't want to reopen the 'EU have moved debate' but will just say 2 things:

1. I can absolutely understand that the UK have moved to a position that the EU had previously offered. Unfortunately May's skills at negotiation and political nous led to her (I am sure much to the EU's amazement and gratitude) refusing that (due to being in hock to the DUP) and giving the EU something far more valuable to them.

2. That new position - May's all-UK unfettered backstop - became the EU's (much improved) position and it was set out in the WA that was agreed.

The EU really wanted that WA as it removed from the EU all and any risk to them of having an independent UK just off its shores and able to be a competitive. They therefore took the stance that the WA was closed and would not be reopened in any circumstance.

Given that the EU really really wanted the unfettered backstop and have decided to step back to a previous position is down to the fact that they faced a UK suddenly displaying a whole lot more backbone than previously and the risk of a No-Deal outcome suddenly became a genuine possibility.

It is - IMO - simply not worth discussing whether the EU moved or not - they stated with utter certainty that they would not reopen the WA and they have - so patently they have moved - from a better position for them to one that they are still happy enough with.

Your repeated stance is that you seem not willing to accept that simple fact and just want to repeat that this was a position previously proposed by the EU. Whilst that really has no relevance to the point being made - I can see why it is a place that some posters can feel to take refuge in.

Anyway, I will move on from that.

BTW - genuinely good to see your increasingly pragmatic view of things generally mate

I just believe they said they wouldn’t because the UK had previously ruled out this deal Johnson agreement and they didn’t see any other alternative.

They asked Johnson to come up with a proposal if he wanted a new deal and we essentially backtracked, rather than them.

 

[blueinsa]

It's called representative democracy.

Delaying the inevitable.

 

[blueinsa]

I wouldn’t abuse anyone. I understand the reasons why people want to leave. I just don’t think they outweigh the potential downsides.

I’d be far too depressed about the immediate future to abuse anyone I think.

Totally respect your opinion to remain.

I didn't say I was going to abuse anyone either if you take another look.

 

[west didsblue]

Delaying the inevitable.

It was a meaningless vote anyway as all the withdrawal legislation needs to be passed before it has any effect.
Now it's time for proper scrutiny of the legislation, not some half arsed quick look based on trusting the liar-in-chief.

 

[BobKowalski]

Really? How did the abortion law get passed today, as I thought one side was opposed?

Because Stormont isn’t sitting and in its absence it was imposed by direct rule ie Parliament. DUP tried to resurrect Stormont in order to prevent this happening but the SDLP walked out and it dissolved. DUP held a veto on this issue as per cross community rules but if Stormont isn’t sitting the rules do not apply.

The GFA was built on the understanding each community has a say and in effect a veto. To make things happen there has to be consensus.

 

[SWP's back]

I didn't say I was going to abuse anyone either if you take another look.

I know mate.

 

[west didsblue]

I wouldn’t abuse anyone. I understand the reasons why people want to leave. I just don’t think they outweigh the potential downsides.

I’d be far too depressed about the immediate future to abuse anyone I think.

I think he means he is going to wank into his sock rather a lot.
Whatever turns him on.

 

[Bluemanc100]

Wasn’t a criticism. He saw the situation, reacted and took the only path open to him. The alternative was fighting the Benn Act and then pushing for an election and fighting it as the ‘no deal’ champion. That would have been reckless in my view. Crafting a deal was not reckless and he did the sensible thing.

The various tick tock’s of the events leading up to a deal suggest that Johnson had largely pivoted from no deal anyway. The Benn Act gave him legitimate cover.

No deal is a red herring. The face to face with Varadkar revealed that both men really wanted a deal and where determined to get a deal. Johnson himself said no deal would be a failure of state craft and he is right it would have been. And it would have been his failure.

Hallelujah! It's a pity that the opposition parties can't get this into their tiny fucking minds....

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

So - do you think that Corbyn or Starmer will be the Labour leader at the next GE?

Good question - I think Corbyn as there are enough Corbyn nut jobs in the party that the rationales wont try it. But that said I think enough fringe Corbyn nutters are starting to see the light (the fact he is totally un-electable) and therefore I see the next contest as being a bit more balanced. The next leader will be a clear cut remainer and that rules out many of the lefty nut jobs that Cobyns mob might have wanted to slide in. I see the Corbyn leadership as coming toward the end.

 

[blueinsa]

It was a meaningless vote anyway as all the withdrawal legislation needs to be passed before it has any effect.
Now it's time for proper scrutiny of the legislation, not some half arsed quick look based on trusting the liar-in-chief.

Vote on a deal to leave the EU now meaningless?

*shakes head*

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Because Stormont isn’t sitting and in its absence it was imposed by direct rule ie Parliament. DUP tried to resurrect Stormont in order to prevent this happening but the SDLP walked out and it dissolved. DUP held a veto on this issue as per cross community rules but if Stormont isn’t sitting the rules do not apply.

The GFA was built on the understanding each community has a say and in effect a veto. To make things happen there has to be consensus.

Mmmm interesting , right result anyway

 

[west didsblue]

Vote on a deal to leave the EU now meaningless?

*shakes head*

Did you sleep through the Letwin amendment?