Another new Brexit thread

[BobKowalski]

They could have completely wrecked the economy Bob. You take low inflation, low unemploynent and relatively low taxes for granted. These are not god-given gifts that Labour are unable to take away. The economy is like a plate spinning delicately on a stick. You cannot expect to come along and give it a right good whack with idiotic Labour tax, spend and meddle plans, and for everything you take for granted to carry just fine.

The only Labour leader in living memory who has not fucked it up was Blair, and his policies were NOTHING like those of Corbyn or McDonnell who are set on making systemic, irreversible change. Have you any idea what that means and the possible impact?

We’re intending to give it a right good whack with Brexit so there’s that. You can’t talk about idiotic spending plans without talking about spending £39 billion to have more restrictive access to European markets or the billions spent on no deal prep after having negotiated not one but two withdrawal deals with the EU. I see no logic in maintaining the Tories are best for the country after the shambles of the years under Cameron and then May and now the ‘considered and calm’ stewardship of Johnson who anointed himself as ‘Minister for the Union’ and then three months later sold out NI whist crafting a template for other nations to follow in leaving our Union.

I’m no fan of Labour or Corbyn but dire warnings against adopting policies common in mainland Europe whilst in the middle of the current shitshow is not convincing. Are you seriously telling me that a Corbyn Govt with SNP (or whoever) support would have produced a worse outcome in the Brexit negotiations then we have to date? You reckon a Keir Starmer led team would have made a worse hash of it than Davis? You reckon Labour would have sold out our Union without the democratic consent of the country concerned?

Your entire case for the Tories seems to be predicated solely on your pant wetting terror of Labour. You are a prisoner of your own fear.

 

[BobKowalski]

Are you saying the murder of Jo Cox is the Tory’s fault??

Or did my amoeba like brain misinterpret your comments?

I’m just taking you through the timeline of the last three years and pointing out how fucked does it have to get before you work out clinging to the Tories isn’t a solid game plan.

Judging by your answer I suspect it’s going to have to get a lot more fucked.

 

[George Hannah]

who's the one on the left supposed to be?

 

[Gabriel]

who's the one on the left supposed to be?

Macron.

 

[George Hannah]

Macron.

Thanks. One might reflect that the alleged influence of a foreign politician in the calling of our GE is deeply troubling.

 

[Gabriel]

Thanks. One might reflect that the alleged influence of a foreign politician in the calling of our GE is deeply troubling.

Historically, we’ve often exerted our influence on the elections of other countries, so it’s not unusual. Let’s face it, we don’t need external scapegoats for a pickle of our own making.

 

[George Hannah]

Historically, we’ve often exerted our influence on the elections of other countries, so it’s not unusual. Let’s face it, we don’t need external scapegoats for a pickle of our own making.

Such a blatant piece of interference doesn't come to mind in the recent past - do you have an example?

 

[aguerrrroooooooooooo]

who's the one on the left supposed to be?

Raab maybe?

 

[George Hannah]

Raab maybe?

C. Nesbitt :)

 

[Gabriel]

Such a blatant piece of interference doesn't come to mind in the recent past - do you have an example?

The U.K. had no qualms meddling in U.S. elections in the 1940s. We’re just better at hiding it now.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/s...erfered-in-a-us-electionto-reelect-fdr-214634

Our U.S. cousins have taken the bar, however, and raised it considerably.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/us-in...ast-85-countries-worldwide-since-1945/5601481

 

[Vic]

Such a blatant piece of interference doesn't come to mind in the recent past - do you have an example?

What interference? He's leader of one of 27 countries that we're begging (as Johnson said he wouidnt) for an extension. I mean, it's not like Johnson wasn't touting for the fascist Orban to stop an extension.

 

[mcfc1632]

Well there it is ....... the dumbest fucking thing I have read all day

OMG - that has to win some award

I expect that you will have been severely embarrassed by the time I catch-up

 

[mcfc1632]

Unfortunately Vic, since you started on your campaign of vitriol against our PM, with the incessant "Liar Johnson" childish shit, I'm finding your posts so interminably boring, I can barely bring myself to read them. Dull, does not describe it.

And you describe me as desperate??? Have you read your own posts? You're working yourself up into a right old state as the imminent prospect of a Tory majority government looms. If anyone looks desperate, take a look in the mirror.

Yep - a few of them are becoming individual echo-chambers

They must post some of this stuff just so that they can agree with themselves

 

[Ban-jani]

Yep - a few of them are becoming individual echo-chambers

They must post some of this stuff just so that they can agree with themselves

Do you not agree with your own posts? That must explain it all.

 

[mcfc1632]

It was always a possible outcome. Did you make that prediction before or after Liar Johnson said no government could accept it?

All your prattle about what Johnson has said is just your attempt at distraction - that is your desperation showing

I have been predicting the outcome for months - in what way is anything Johnson, Corbyn or anyone else said relevant?

I make my predictions based on my own assessments - and, again, on this occasion I have been proven to be right

 

[mcfc1632]

It’d be great if you could follow your own advice once in a while.

Oh I do

And if the point is reached where I am proved to be wrong I will reconsider my views.

As it is events have proven me to be repeatedly correct - so the situation has not arisen.

I know that this simple fact has been infuriating for you and others - but it is what it is

 

[mcfc1632]

unbelievable hypocrisy and how much worse can Brexit get before you sway from your entrenched view ?

My views have been reinforced by events so proving me to be right - and I have always said that the benefits will be in the medium to long-term

Should we ever get clear of the EU and these threads are still going a few years later I expect to be on commenting on how well things are going

If the doom mongers turn out to be proven to have been correct - spoiler: they won't be - I will also come on to admit that.

 

[Ban-jani]

Oh I do

And if the point is reached where I am proved to be wrong I will reconsider my views.

As it is events have proven me to be repeatedly correct - so the situation has not arisen.

I know that this simple fact has been infuriating for you and others - but it is what it is

Actually quite the opposite.

The no deal bluff didn’t work and therefore Johnson went back to something the EU offered in 2016, in desperation.

I knew whatever happened that you’d claim you were correct but I think even those supporting this deal know you’re not.

It’s a consistent part of your character, a desperation to be respected and that’s why you continue this and you fabricated that you advised the government on Brexit, when you first started posting in this thread.

 

[mat]

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/sky-...of-the-governments-fake-news-machine-11845093


Wow.

Adam Boulturn having a go at colleagues smoking Boris's pole over Brexit.

 

[mcfc1632]

If it's time for honesty, how many of you Leavers would fancy a GE if Labour had a clear Remainer leader? None - for the same reason you don't want another referendum.

So - you are admitting Corbyn is a shit leader?