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bellbuzzer said:
Any form of brexit is an attack on the general public, a brexit with No other strategy than to return to the last century will be very worst outcome for everyone but the landed gentry and disaster capitalists. Civil unrest is founded on anger, a sense of being duped by "the man", and no way out of the shit raining down , all it takes is a spark , be it the complete breakdown of food supplies, hospital and school closures, transport gridlock even police brutality at protest marchers...... it's entirely possible that this is part of the brexit strategy, worked for thatcher during the union bashing years with murdoch's rent-a-mob tactics, not so successful with the poll-tax con......
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Why do you think Corbyn is pro Brexit then?
 
bellbuzzer said:
Benefit society??????, the tories are incapable of such a thing, THEY NEVER HAVE , never will, would be akin to a leech becoming a vegetarian. Things we take for granted now, were/are vehemently opposed by the tories, little things like everyone having the vote, including Women!!!!, ending slavery , making child labour illegal, enabling trade unions to fight for workers rights (bitterly opposed to this day,) universal health care funded by national insurance contributions,(bitterly opposed to this day) a minimum wage, bitterly opposed to this day, tories insisting it would "destroy british industry at a stroke". Rolling back these MARXIST measures is the Very heart of the brexit plot, everything else is pure bullshit, camouflage, obfuscation, thatcher ideology with added venom wrapped up in populist, racist, nationalistic propaganda and rammed down the public's throat by the billionaire owned mainstream at every possible opportunity. The referendum being the culmination of a thirty year anti-EU Campaign , which has seen the trashing of our once world-class media, into the gutter, in bed with the tory party.
Any form of brexit is an attack on the general public, a brexit with No other strategy than to return to the last century will be very worst outcome for everyone but the landed gentry and disaster capitalists. Civil unrest is founded on anger, a sense of being duped by "the man", and no way out of the shit raining down , all it takes is a spark , be it the complete breakdown of food supplies, hospital and school closures, transport gridlock even police brutality at protest marchers...... it's entirely possible that this is part of the brexit strategy, worked for thatcher during the union bashing years with murdoch's rent-a-mob tactics, not so successful with the poll-tax con......
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Mëtal Bikër said:
And Labour will implement next to none of them.

"FREE EVERYTHING! We'll get the rich to pay for it all and hope they don't decide to migrate to another country and take their money with them!"

Just a con to canvass your vote. Two cheeks of the same arse.
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Every single policy is about spend, spend, spend, nothing whatsoever to incentivise business, which is the well
spring of everything. Then there's the increase to corporation tax they've been talking about, which, on top of
the other costs being piled on them, is expected to have no effect on inward investment. It's a policy that says
to business, 'Invest in Britain, we're putting your tax up!'
 
Ancient Citizen said:
Every single policy is about spend, spend, spend, nothing whatsoever to incentivise business, which is the well
spring of everything. Then there's the increase to corporation tax they've been talking about, which, on top of
the other costs being piled on them, is expected to have no effect on inward investment. It's a policy that says
to business, 'Invest in Britain, we're putting your tax up!'
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“Fuck business”. Boris Johnson, June 2018.

It’s funny that when inward investment, extra costs, higher corporation tax and various other ‘business will hate it statements’ are made about Corbyn, they’re all gospel. When the exact same people say it about Brexit, it’s project fear and they don’t know anything. Cake and eat it, I suppose....
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
“Fuck business”. Boris Johnson, June 2018.

It’s funny that when inward investment, extra costs, higher corporation tax and various other ‘business will hate it statements’ are made about Corbyn, they’re all gospel. When the exact same people say it about Brexit, it’s project fear and they don’t know anything. Cake and eat it, I suppose....
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To have, and intend to implement, policies that state that businesses will be paying more tax, and to expect
that policy to stimulate interest in investment from business, which is what pays for everything, is a bit more direct than the could be's and possibly's
constantly parroted about Brexit. It's a statement that Labour intends to implement policies alien to business interests,
is it not? The other, 'Brexit will mean millions of unemployed and financial ruin' and other claims, are simply opinion.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
And Labour will implement next to none of them.

"FREE EVERYTHING! We'll get the rich to pay for it all and hope they don't decide to migrate to another country and take their money with them!"

Just a con to canvass your vote. Two cheeks of the same arse.
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Brexit seems to have unearthed an awful lot of 'I'm all right Jacks'
 
Ancient Citizen said:
Every single policy is about spend, spend, spend, nothing whatsoever to incentivise business, which is the well
spring of everything. Then there's the increase to corporation tax they've been talking about, which, on top of
the other costs being piled on them, is expected to have no effect on inward investment. It's a policy that says
to business, 'Invest in Britain, we're putting your tax up!'
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I don't know whether you're retired or working ... but you obviously don't see what I see ..... increased automation ... lots of jobs will disappear in the next few years (which is why ASDA are forcing people to sign new contracts or leave - cos they can just replace them with automated tills)

AI will do a lot of the work that call handlers currently do through Apps on smart phones or computers . Amazon will do away with warehouse workers (they're probably close to doing that now) and delivery drivers

The high street is dying a slow death now ...

by the way the owner of Amazon (supposedly the richest individual in the world ) recently slashed the Health benefits of employees in one of his companies ... forcing many of them to resign or take out private health cover


...... His cost savings were what he makes in an hour.....


What will happen to 'business' when the people who buy the goods can no longer afford them ?
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
I don't know whether you're retired or working ... but you obviously don't see what I see ..... increased automation ... lots of jobs will disappear in the next few years (which is why ASDA are forcing people to sign new contracts or leave - cos they can just replace them with automated tills)

AI will do a lot of the work that call handlers currently do through Apps on smart phones or computers . Amazon will do away with warehouse workers (they're probably close to doing that now) and delivery drivers

The high street is dying a slow death now ...

by the way the owner of Amazon (supposedly the richest individual in the world ) recently slashed the Health benefits of employees in one of his companies ... forcing many of them to resign or take out private health cover


...... His cost savings were what he makes in an hour.....


What will happen to 'business' when the people who buy the goods can no longer afford them ?
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Well, that's an interesting point, and I agree with the automation situation, it will certainly impact jobs.
Amazon infuriates most of us, but implementing the tax we should be taking from them is easier said than done,
with a business based abroad, yet making billions from us, worldwide agreements just don't seem to be on the
horizon to solve this. The labour proposals, as discussed, don't have any detail, just blithe promises of that
they will somehow, but all this doesn't affect the fundamentals, having a manifesto that impacts solely on business
for it's funding, but telling the world that they're going to tax business more, won't exactly get foreign investment flocking in.
It will most certainly get it rushing away.
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
I don't know whether you're retired or working ... but you obviously don't see what I see ..... increased automation ... lots of jobs will disappear in the next few years (which is why ASDA are forcing people to sign new contracts or leave - cos they can just replace them with automated tills)

AI will do a lot of the work that call handlers currently do through Apps on smart phones or computers . Amazon will do away with warehouse workers (they're probably close to doing that now) and delivery drivers

The high street is dying a slow death now ...

by the way the owner of Amazon (supposedly the richest individual in the world ) recently slashed the Health benefits of employees in one of his companies ... forcing many of them to resign or take out private health cover


...... His cost savings were what he makes in an hour.....


What will happen to 'business' when the people who buy the goods can no longer afford them ?
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And this is the conundrum. There have to be markets who can afford to buy what companies or individuals produce. The biggest growth of any economy is consumer spending but the thought of people earning a decent enough wage to afford to consume is treated with horror. The drive to squeeze the people at the bottom in order to be ‘competitive’ and push profits up a point or two and keep stock prices high is short term thinking. We need to create a more balanced way of measuring a success of businesses and society beyond a fraction of a percentage point increase in profits or GDP growth.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
Well, that's an interesting point, and I agree with the automation situation, it will certainly impact jobs.
Amazon infuriates most of us, but implementing the tax we should be taking from them is easier said than done,
with a business based abroad, yet making billions from us, worldwide agreements just don't seem to be on the
horizon to solve this. The labour proposals, as discussed, don't have any detail, just blithe promises of that
they will somehow, but all this doesn't affect the fundamentals, having a manifesto that impacts solely on business
for it's funding, but telling the world that they're going to tax business more, won't exactly get foreign investment flocking in.
It will most certainly get it rushing away.
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Foreign investment priortises stability in a country above everything else. Tax rates can be factored in. If the country is stable and your investment is sound then you will make a return. An increase or decrease in tax rates just means you make a bit less or a bit more. Instability means you can lose the investment altogether. Our current instability is the reason why FDI has fallen and the prospect of years of EU negotiations ahead of us will not lead to stability anytime soon. Labour bumping up Corporation tax by a point or two is negligible in comparison.

To tackle someone like Amazon you need a supranational body like the EU as in the tax case with Apple in Ireland otherwise the companies will just divide and rule.
 
Can't wait for Boris to obliterate Labour and that silly idiot from the Lib Dems who have the gall to have "democrats" as part of their name.
 
BLUEMATT23 said:
Because they go against their pledge of 2016 (like labour) of not honouring the result of the referendum.
Its quite simple really.
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The party is under new leadership and is well within its rights to change their manifesto based on a different political landscape.

Why do you expect a party to stick to one policy promise for years to come? That’s ridiculously unrealistic.

There also isn’t a party ever in existence that has implemented every pledge in a manifesto AND why should parties stick to a manifesto that lost and lost badly?

You’re engaging in Brexit bingo here and it’s very ignorant.
 
Ban-jani said:
The party is under new leadership and is well within its rights to change their manifesto based on a different political landscape.

Why do you expect a party to stick to one policy promise for years to come? That’s ridiculously unrealistic.

There also isn’t a party ever in existence that has implemented every pledge in a manifesto AND why should parties stick to a manifesto that lost and lost badly?

You’re engaging in Brexit bingo here and it’s very ignorant.
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OK shall we do another vote then?
Let's do it remain win. How about the decider in 2025?
We wouldn't have had all this nonsense had remain won. The fact is their all sore losers who are doing everything to prevent is exiting the European Union.
Their earning 100k to represent their constituencies and behaving appallingly.
 
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