Another new Brexit thread

[Ban-jani]

When a argument like that goes on for more than a couple pages - posters really should be aware it’s boring everyone reading it to death and just PM each other instead.

Thanks for the moderation Mark, you’re really coming into your new role.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Its hard to agree to disagree with someone who would argue that the titantic crashing is only an opinion.

That's the beauty of this thread. Everyone in it is right, just like prisons are full of wrongly convicted innocents.

 

[Chippy_boy]

That's the beauty of this thread. Everyone in it is right, just like prisons are full of wrongly convicted innocents.

Can I simply make the rather obvious point however that facts are facts, opinions are opinions and the two are distinctly different animals. When someone says "From fact A and fact B, I deduce that premise C must be true" this is an opinion. It is not a fact. And telling everyone the same thing 50 times no more makes it a fact. And neither does claiming C to be a fact and claiming that 50 times as well.

 

[George Hannah]

That's the beauty of this thread. Everyone in it is right, just like prisons are full of wrongly convicted innocents.

It's BM's Shawshank - where we all await redemption ;)

 

[BlueHammer85]

Thanks for the moderation Mark, you’re really coming into your new role.

Couldn’t turn down Rics 20k offer so doing my bit.

 

[Ban-jani]

Couldn’t turn down Rics 20k offer so doing my bit.

That offer was to stop you posting music threads.

 

[hilts]

Don’t get the thread deleted you lot.

Meh you can just read the general election one, same posters arguing the same points on things that have already happened anyhow. Who could have foreseen such a thing happening.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Not sure I'm able to grasp some of the logic here, but isn't it us that have changed our minds given this deal was offered to us before, and now we've taken it over the May deal???

No that’s just Ban-jani’s opinion it seems.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

You are missing the point, but never mind. Everyone has lost the will to live on this one.

In your opinion.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Can I simply make the rather obvious point however that facts are facts, opinions are opinions and the two are distinctly different animals. When someone says "From fact A and fact B, I deduce that premise C must be true" this is an opinion. It is not a fact. And telling everyone the same thing 50 times no more makes it a fact. And neither does claiming C to be a fact and claiming that 50 times as well.

I seem to remember pointing something similar out to someone about 5000 pages ago and again 4000 and 3000 1500 and so on, ago.
Mind you that was just my opinion.

Anyway. Great to have the thread back in my opinion.

 

[aguerrrroooooooooooo]

Don’t get the thread deleted you lot.

It ain't a brexit thread until we've got it temp suspended for a day at least mate

 

[aguerrrroooooooooooo]

It's pretty odd how facts seemed to have morphed into the same bracket as opinions :/

 

[bluethrunthru]

Theo Usherwood just said on LBC Brexit won't happen coz Johnson can't get the seats...... he is usually very good with his insight and predictions.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Theo Usherwood just said on LBC Brexit won't happen coz Johnson can't get the seats...... he is usually very good with his insight and predictions.

If we had a half decent leader of a moderate Labour party that would be pretty much guaranteed by now.

 

[Chippy_boy]

If we had a half decent leader of a moderate Labour party that would be pretty much guaranteed by now.

It's strange I think how the Farage announcement seems to have been greeted as a positive for Boris, when on reflection I think the opposite is true.

BXP can now focus all their resources, attention and strongest candidates on the very seats Boris needs to win! They have made his job much more difficult, not less.

That said, I think he will take dozens of seats off Labour, and end up with a decent working majority and I think Theo Usherwood's analysis is wrong. But the truth is no-one knows the polls may be wildly different come polling day.

 

[aguerrrroooooooooooo]

It's strange I think how the Farage announcement seems to have been greeted as a positive for Boris, when on reflection I think the opposite is true.

BXP can now focus all their resources, attention and strongest candidates on the very seats Boris needs to win! They have made his job much more difficult, not less.

That said, I think he will take dozens of seats off Labour, and end up with a decent working majority and I think Theo Usherwood's analysis is wrong. But the truth is no-one knows the polls may be wildly different come polling day.

I had this thought myself. The conservatives don't have a majority and need to win seats obviously, their message outside of "get brexit done" is pretty uninspiring and won't help them in pro remain Tory seats.

We're on our way to a hung parliament and potentially a second referendum I think.

 

[Chippy_boy]

I had this thought myself. The conservatives don't have a majority and need to win seats obviously, their message outside of "get brexit done" is pretty uninspiring and won't help them in pro remain Tory seats.

We're on our way to a hung parliament and potentially a second referendum I think.

Farage must SURELY realise that Brexit is dead unless the Tories win a majority? He is their only hope and yet he proposes to stand in seats they need to win, thereby splitting the leave vote. Doing so would be madness, which is why I am wondering if there is more to this than meets the eye, and perhaps BXP will only stand in seats where the Tories have no chance.

 

[blueparrot]

Farage must SURELY realise that Brexit is dead unless the Tories win a majority? He is their only hope and yet he proposes to stand in seats they need to win, thereby splitting the leave vote. Doing so would be madness, which is why I am wondering if there is more to this than meets the eye, and perhaps BXP will only stand in seats where the Tories have no chance.

Surely he can't pull more candidates, unless the tories do likewise, which won't happen, without losing any credibility he has left.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

It's strange I think how the Farage announcement seems to have been greeted as a positive for Boris, when on reflection I think the opposite is true.

BXP can now focus all their resources, attention and strongest candidates on the very seats Boris needs to win! They have made his job much more difficult, not less.

That said, I think he will take dozens of seats off Labour, and end up with a decent working majority and I think Theo Usherwood's analysis is wrong. But the truth is no-one knows the polls may be wildly different come polling day.

I think you're probably right. It's the most depressing lose-lose election I've ever know. He's not fit to be Prime Minister because he is amoral and lacks judgement, and he's surrounded himself by morons. So the country becomes more intolerant and right wing, we will get some shitty version of economy-shrinking "Brexit" for the next ten years until it's reversed, and the working classes will be further decimated and demoralised because their dream ticket turned out to be another lie.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Farage must SURELY realise that Brexit is dead unless the Tories win a majority? He is their only hope and yet he proposes to stand in seats they need to win, thereby splitting the leave vote. Doing so would be madness, which is why I am wondering if there is more to this than meets the eye, and perhaps BXP will only stand in seats where the Tories have no chance.

Maybe he thinks he can control the balance of power and start demanding stuff?