General Election - December 12th, 2019

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

just the 5th largest economy in the world.

with a credit rating of ...... negative

 

[BobKowalski]

All I can say to that Bob is, lets see.

No need to peer into the future. With the EU the last three years has been an instructional guide and as for the US they recently imposed tariffs on Scotch Whiskey, top end suits and other U.K. items despite our squeaks of protest. The US doesn’t give a shit.

 

[Chippy_boy]

I'd imagine a Trade Deal will be complex and something will be good and some would be bad - we cannot get a trade deal with someone as large as the US and go through trade line by line item by item. Lobbyists will be pushing for the backers and sectors they are representing to maximise the benefits they can get so if the trade off is getting British automotive components into the US market is we accept that certain drugs are much more expensive then thats where the choice will have to be made.

If you think that any trade deal we would do with the US - particularly one led by Trump and with us led by a supine Johnson - would mean everything goes our way then you are dreaming. America First is his mantra and I'd expect any successor will continue in the same vein.

Of course. All the above goes without saying, but at the end of the day if it's not "good" for us overall - better than WTO terms - then we wouldn't sign up for it, would we.

 

[Chippy_boy]

So we're thick, are we? When American politicians are openly talking about their high prices for drugs and Europeans getting the same drugs cheap as "freeloaders"?

No, the people suggesting we'll pay £500m per week over and above the £300m per week we pay now are the thickos. Or political mischief makers. More of the former.

 

[mat]

Great to see that the spiv Farage has been booted off the QT leaders special because he cannot win the election.


Bye bye you Nazi con man.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

He just trousered £300,000 when 3000 gullible idiots paid £100 to be considered as candidates.
None getting a penny back, not even the 600 he eventually selected to fight seats.

 

[blueinsa]

He just trousered £300,000 when 3000 gullible idiots paid £100 to be considered as candidates.
None getting a penny back, not even the 600 he eventually selected to fight seats.

Who do you think funds candidates from all the major parties and for those that lose, do you think they get any of that money back?

 

[Ban-jani]

Who do you think funds candidates from all the major parties and for those that lose, do you think they get any of that money back?

I’m guessing they do if the major party reverses their decision, surely they do.

 

[BobKowalski]

Who do you think funds candidates from all the major parties and for those that lose, do you think they get any of that money back?

Don’t think it is losing that they are objecting to. More the fact that they binned after handing over the dosh and before the race started.

 

[blueinsa]

I’m guessing they do if the major party reverses their decision, surely they do.

No idea but it costs £thousands to run a campaign, upwards of £30k and only one can win and go on to the gravy train that is parliament.

In a perverse way he has saved over 300 of them a shit load of money in pulling them.

The vast majority of the other 300 that will run will lose huge amounts of their own cash in doing so, as will Labour, Tory, Lib Dem candidates etc.

That said he should give them the £100 back if they request it but that would depend on any terms agreed before hand and my guess is, because there is no guarantee of winning, never mind being selected that they wont get a bean.

Thought i heard that over 3000 applied as well so you can assume they also paid the £100.

 

[blueinsa]

Don’t think it is losing that they are objecting to. More the fact that they binned after handing over the dosh and before the race started.

The narrative being set is that its only BP candidates that have been asked to stump up money to run.

That simply isn't the case with British politics.

 

[joe123]

The narrative being set is that its only BP candidates that have been asked to stump up money to run.

That simply isn't the case with British politics.

Ha, no it isn't at all! The narrative is they've spent the money and had the rug pulled from under them.

 

[blueinsa]

Ha, no it isn't at all! The narrative is they've spent the money and had the rug pulled from under them.

Money will go into campaigning, that's how it works.

If you dont think the vast majority of candidates from every party standing wont have huge holes in their personal finances after the election then you are in dream land and not one of them will be recompensed.

 

[mat]

He's not the Messiah he's a naughty boy!

 

[joe123]

Money will go into campaigning, that's how it works.

If you dont think the vast majority of candidates from every party standing wont have huge holes in their personal finances after the election then you are in dream land and not one of them will be recompensed.

No one is saying that. Everyone knows candidates spend. It's being told you were standing as a candidate, spending money, and now you're not. I personally couldn't give a shit, but its not like people are saying its only the Brexit Party candidates spending cash.

 

[blueinsa]

No one is saying that. Everyone knows candidates spend. It's being told you were standing as a candidate, spending money, and now you're not. I personally couldn't give a shit, but its not like people are saying its only the Brexit Party candidates spending cash.

Over 3000 wanted to stand and they would have done so and paid knowing that most wouldn't have been selected.

That is how it works.

 

[joe123]

Over 3000 wanted to stand and they would have done so and paid knowing that most wouldn't have been selected.

That is how it works.

I think we're talking at cross purposes here.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

The narrative being set is that its only BP candidates that have been asked to stump up money to run.

That simply isn't the case with British politics.

That is exactly what happened. You had to pay to be considered for selection. £100 I think. If they had 3,000 apply than that is £300k. Fair enough that those that didnt make it new they would not get there money back but what will and does stink is those that made it and got selected then don't get anything back. It would not have been a big dent to given them £100 back each.

Then you have the money paid out for whatever they were planning to incur. Most of that they would have hoped to have recoved in fund raising but they are left high and dry now. Commitment to spend money on all sorts and no basis to raise money to cover it.

 

[1.618034]

Conservatives eh. What are they like?

Greedy cunts?

 

[Vic]

@Vic
Serious question Vic, with you out in this shitty weather door knocking, are you having any grief off Labour voters about Corbyn?

Thank you for your question, sir.

Oh yes. I don't know how his Momentum fans deal with it, but then it's by and large the old guard who do the hard slog campaigning not the newbies. But the main complaint is that "he isn't a leader", not particularly any baggage or policy, so if (like last time) he does leadership things (like visiting disaster areas) and does them well, and Johnson is exposed for the blustering buffoon he is, the damage may be limited. No-one calls Corbyn a Marxist. That's a bluemoon (Mail/Express) thing. But yes, Starmer would be storming it.

Anyway today's highlight was a housing association tenant who called me in to discuss a problem (temporarily rehoused into a marginal), so I've got him to register to vote here, and after a good discussion about EU companies' investment in the UK and this area, he'll vote Remain in the next referendum (Leave before).