General Election - December 12th, 2019

Who will you vote for in the 2019 General Election?

  • Conservative

    Votes: 160 30.9%

  • Labour

    Votes: 230 44.4%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 59 11.4%

  • Green Party

    Votes: 13 2.5%

  • Brexit Party

    Votes: 28 5.4%

  • Plaid Cymru/SNP

    Votes: 7 1.4%

  • Other

    Votes: 21 4.1%
  • Total voters
    518
Chippy_boy said:
There's a lot of voters he had missed. We await the next bribe with interest.
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The perfect fumble said:
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Just listening on LBC that a further TEN Tory councillors and officials being banned for Islamophobia - thats what? 34 in a week? However lets all look over there and just blank Baroness Warsi's observations eh?

By the way - why not ask Gauke and Grieve amongst many others about their views on Johnson.
 
 
I do think it's vitally important to ensure internet access is made freely available to the poorest in society (and also those in remote areas) to give them the same opportunities afforded to everyone else. Don't know if nationalising it is the solution, but at least Labour's proposals are bringing the issue to the fore.
 
blueinsa said:
By nature of privatising the railways there will be no competition. Contracts will run out and wont be reissued.
That doesnt apply to broadband and if you think Virgin, plus net etc will just roll over i think you are mistaken. John Mcdonnell this morning said they will be helping to pay for it as they pay BT for their service but hang on, who is going to use them when government is offering free? He then said well no one will be out of work and that they would all be given jobs. This will break EU anti competition law and will end up in court, guaranteed.
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The competition argument is such a key issue in terms of public ownership. Gas, electric and the rail network are essentially straightforward public utilities but nationalizing broadband delivery is a very different kettle of fish.
 
blueinsa said:
Application of competition law to the NHS
The question of whether to apply competition law to NHS providers has been an issue since April 2002. It had been concluded that competition law was not applicable to NHS bodies in relation to activities funded from general taxation, but this decision was overturned by the Competition Appeal Tribunal. However, in 2004 the OFT decided to support the original decision.

From 2008, purchasers and providers of NHS funded services were required to comply with the Principles and Rules for Cooperation and Competition (PRCC). The rules covered four areas: procurement of NHS services; anti-competitive conduct by providers and commissioners; mergers between NHS organisations; and false and misleading advertising of NHS services. They aimed to strike an appropriate balance between the benefits of co-operation and competition in driving improvements in quality and efficiency. The Co-operation and Competition Panel was responsible for advising strategic health authorities, the Department of Health and Monitor on potential breaches of the rules.

Free broadband whilst putting numerous independent providers out of business will be a different ball game but you know this Bob.

You also know why its important for us to leave the EU or it is for Corbyn and co.
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It was a joke but I’ll answer anyway.

Nationalisation isn’t against state aid rules. Paying for the infrastructure to provide full broadband connectivity everywhere out of public funds isn’t against the rules anymore than say road building. The various independent providers mostly use the infrastructure as laid down by BT so a mandated Govt program to provide infrastructure would be no different.

As for usage it depends how it is structured. There could be a basic free package available to all which would allow for internet shopping, job seeking and applications but not say streaming videos which you have to go private to pay for. If the videos are part of an educational course you could exempt them. The basic free package could be provided by private companies with costs met by the Govt giving private companies the option of including add ons to tempt customers through the door with the hope of upselling more features later.

The ‘tech tax’ is a wider issue and if there is an inability to apply it then it falls under the ‘tech sovereignty’ debate and that needs tacking at a European level not a national one which is one of the many reasons why leaving the EU is a bad idea but that’s a debate for another day.
 
blueinsa said:
By nature of privatising the railways there will be no competition. Contracts will run out and wont be reissued.

That doesnt apply to broadband and if you think Virgin, plus net etc will just roll over i think you are mistaken.

John Mcdonnell this morning said they will be helping to pay for it as they pay BT for their service but hang on, who is going to use them when government is offering free?

He then said well no one will be out of work and that they would all be given jobs.

This will break EU anti competition law and will end up in court, guaranteed.
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Wait there isn't competition in railway? There's more than one rail service no? Unless I'm mistaken upon your point
 
BobKowalski said:
It was a joke but I’ll answer anyway.

Nationalisation isn’t against state aid rules. Paying for the infrastructure to provide full broadband connectivity everywhere out of public funds isn’t against the rules anymore than say road building. The various independent providers mostly use the infrastructure as laid down by BT so a mandated Govt program to provide infrastructure would be no different.

As for usage it depends how it is structured. There could be a basic free package available to all which would allow for internet shopping, job seeking and applications but not say streaming videos which you have to go private to pay for. If the videos are part of an educational course you could exempt them. The basic free package could be provided by private companies with costs met by the Govt giving private companies the option of including add ons to tempt customers through the door with the hope of upselling more features later.

The ‘tech tax’ is a wider issue and if there is an inability to apply it then it falls under the ‘tech sovereignty’ debate and that needs tacking at a European level not a national one which is one of the many reasons why leaving the EU is a bad idea but that’s a debate for another day.
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EU anti competition rules Bob.

Not state aid.
 
https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.p...fibre-broadband-worth-59bn-to-uk-economy.html

Openreach Say Full Fibre Broadband Worth £59bn to UK Economy


"A new Openreach commissioned report, created by the Centre for Economics & Business Research (CEBR), has estimated that connecting the whole of the UK to a Fibre-to-the-Premises (FTTP) broadband ISP network by the end of 2025 could result in a £59bn economic boost (equivalent to £1,700+ per worker) – rising to £70bn by 2038."
 
purplenose said:
The thing is Mike I am in my 50s and I am a leaver, certainly not an ignorant **** but take great offence at being labelled gammon. Furthermore I dont see why its use is acceptable on this forum or elsewhere. Not whilst all these other words describing people of varying religion age or colour are forbidden and those that use them are rightly called out.

In conclusion I would ask why its use is tolerated. Laughable that the lefties on here and in general whom are partially responsible for all this nonsense we must now endure including the Bernado farce.

It really is rather hypocritical dont you think?
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So what's your take on snowflakes do you see any problems there with right wing leaning folks calling people snow flakes?
 
bluethrunthru said:
Just listening on LBC that a further TEN Tory councillors and officials being banned for Islamophobia - thats what? 34 in a week? However lets all look over there and just blank Baroness Warsi's observations eh?

By the way - why not ask Gauke and Grieve amongst many others about their views on Johnson.
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This election is as expected, only dirtier.

I'm not posting in here much as it's stuffed with the same tory fuckwits trolling, spitting bile and sucking Johnson's dick.

The arseholes might well get the result they crave, and the only comfort to be had is the sincere hope they all suffer the consequences.
 
aguerrrroooooooooooo said:
Wait there isn't competition in railway? There's more than one rail service no? Unless I'm mistaken upon your point
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Yes, spectacularly.

There will be no competition on the rail when its renationalised because government awarded contracts will not be renewed, thus no competition.

British Rail will be back.

Virgin and others in the broadband market are not there by the grace of government contracts. they operate in a free market and if they are put out of business by a government giving the product away for free it will fall foul of EU anti competition law and will be challenged.

of course if we are not in the EU Corbyn wont give a fuck so whats it to be?
 
George Hannah said:
The competition argument is such a key issue in terms of public ownership. Gas, electric and the rail network are essentially straightforward public utilities but nationalizing broadband delivery is a very different kettle of fish.
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why so? Consider the history of gas supplies and electricity supplies in this country. Like the railways they were originally a multitude of different local owners and suppliers which were brought together by nationalisation - a nationwide approach gave us things like the the National Grid. Why is it a given that something being state owned is unable to flourish?
 
Chippy_boy said:
And carpets. You forget we hardly make any carpets, so let's nationalise all the carpet manufacturers before it's too late.

When one of you lot comes out with just one line, just one, saying "it would be good to do that, but we can't afford it" then you might have an atom of credibility.

Just one line, just once. But no, not now, not ever. It's just spend, spend, spend, spend and tax other people and spend some more. You lot are pathetic, really pathetic.
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Your party spent £1.5 billion bribing the DUP ... Which was the point of my post..... and for what ? Thats where your taxpayer £'s are being wasted.
 
Ric said:
I do think it's vitally important to ensure internet access is made freely available to the poorest in society (and also those in remote areas) to give them the same opportunities afforded to everyone else. Don't know if nationalising it is the solution, but at least Labour's proposals are bringing the issue to the fore.
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Funny they didn't mention it before an election campaign was on.
 
Chippy_boy said:
And carpets. You forget we hardly make any carpets, so let's nationalise all the carpet manufacturers before it's too late.

When one of you lot comes out with just one line, just one, saying "it would be good to do that, but we can't afford it" then you might have an atom of credibility.

Just one line, just once. But no, not now, not ever. It's just spend, spend, spend, spend and tax other people and spend some more. You lot are pathetic, really pathetic.
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There are some things that you have to spend on ... so that you can maintain your independence / capability..... you've not answered the question tho. What do we do in the event of a crisis such as war when we have lost our steel manufacturing capability ?
 
bluethrunthru said:
why so? Consider the history of gas supplies and electricity supplies in this country. Like the railways they were originally a multitude of different local owners and suppliers which were brought together by nationalisation - a nationwide approach gave us things like the the National Grid. Why is it a given that something being state owned is unable to flourish?
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Because once there is no commercial imperative to do things better, or even well, then people stop caring, start to not give a toss and service spirals inexorably downwards. Simple really. Why is it Tesco's is open at 2:00 am so you can buy a loaf of bread, but your local council offices are not? People work shifts and it would be good if they could get answers to questions at times convenient for them. But since the council has no competition and doesn't need to provide this service in order to stay competitive, it can't be arsed and doesn't bother. Trite example perhaps, but it illustrates the point.
 
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