General Election - December 12th, 2019

[meltonblue]

All things being equal, yes.

But unfortunately, Labour's "policy" - which we have no idea what it actually is, since they won't commit to campaigning for in, or for out - comes with a load of baggage. Like increasing employment wages, increasing employment cost, reducing employment flexibility, increasing corporation tax, meddling in companies affairs and structure, making strikes easier, etc etc etc.

In short, they will screw businesses. This will have a far worse effect than us leaving with a trade deal. 90-odd percent of UK firms don't trade with the EU at all, and yet all of them would be impacted by adverse Labour changes.

That’s multiple different policies. I agree though, I was just pointing one of their policies that would be a help rather than a hindrance to businesses.

Bear in mind most people are employers rather than business owners (which is why the 90% figure, which to me sounds like businesses that don’t trade with the EU rather than don’t benefit in some way from the single market, doesn’t really mean much).

It should be about being good for both sets, the issue currently is with the two main parties, they go too far to look after one or the other.

 

[Chippy_boy]

They just mentioned on Politics Today that the top 1% of taxpayers contribute 25% of the tax paid in the union...

On to education now and the hypocritical desire to ban public schools... hypocritical because the majority of the Labour front bench (or their offspring) went to one...

Ban public schools for the benefit of us all?

or ban them because of a deep-seated hatred of "the rich"?

We ALL know which don't we.

 

[robbieh]

There's more lefties on here than Tories mate.

In general yes. But the Tories post more and in the last few pages seem distinctly ruffled.

 

[Bluemanc100]

I think tactical voting is going to be the key to resolving this crisis; otherwise, a small Convervative majority is likely (even with the Brexit party splitting the Brexit vote, it's still only a two-way split), as opposed to a 3 or some cases 4-way split amongst Remain voters.

I was talking to my Dad about it last night. He has pretty much always voted Conservative and also voted for Brexit; he told me he will vote for Lib Dem because he has huge regrets and wants Article 50 revoked. Lib Dems are the only viable challenge to Nadine Dorrie's safe seat where he lives. I believe there are many other 'Regrexiteers' who could have a huge say in this election - IF they vote tactically.

Personally I don't agree with this election at all. Elections should be about broader issues, not single issues; this election is soley about Brexit and that feels wrong. But we're kind of in this situation because the Remain movement is, on a governance and autority level at least, an absolute shambles (the people-led movement is fantastic and suspiciously played down in the media). The Remain camapign during the refrendum was, frankly, shit, and now the parties are still squabling amongst themselves. If they just got their shit togtehr and collaborated I think we could get ourselves out of this mess through a second refrendum and without the need for another GE.

Can you see the irony in that comment.. this house (maybe every house that has ever existed) refuse to collaborate despite it being the answer

 

[Vic]

But the LibDems don’t think Corbyn is fit to be Prime Minister and they see him becoming so as dangerous to the UK.

I’m not saying I agree with them but that’s their view and if that is their view, they are quite right not to make an alliance.

Again, Labour voters are pissed off that the LibDems will take centrist remainers away from them but it’s their own fault for not backing a 2nd referendum earlier and for electing someone like Corbyn as leader, as centrists very much dislike Corbyn.

You cannot expect everyone to just fall in line and support the politics you do.

Don't worry. Labour Remain voters won't be deserting to the Lib Dems in seats the Lib Dems can't win. "Would you rather have a Labour government even if you don't like Corbyn or a Conservative government under Liar Diana Ditch Johnson perpetuating austerity and selling off the NHS to America?" tends to concentrate minds.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

So if he knew what he was doing, you're saying the Diana Ditch stuff was a lie not just a promise he meant to fulfil and couldn't.

All politicians lie Vic. Remember the lib dems saying they would abolish tuition fees if they got into power. Remember comrade Jeremy lying about not having a seat on a virgin train. Politician lies what's new!

 

[bluejon]

Forgive my ignorance but how is the equality and the top 10% and the divide “dangerous”?

For many many reasons, one of which being that excessive inequality of any society over a prolonged period of time tends to cause civil disturbances. History can show multiple instances of this happening. And our society is getting more unequal every year.

 

[inbetween]

NHS isn’t for sale to Trump. Think you missed that one.

Also police? Are there any left, sans powers or otherwise?

I'll only accept state owned flu jabs thank you please.

 

[Coatigan]

Labour have no chance of winning and I am a labour voter

The media has already started its campaign against JC.

Last night the news at 10pm (itv) interviewed 3 people in some run down place in the north. All 3 were asked why they will not vote labour anymore after years of doing so

None had any reasons other than one said JC is gobby?

One was a taxi driver who said the place is run down and all the industries have gone. Seems to blame labour, why, who knows but was never asked.

All 3 were white or grey looking, it looked cold where they live.

All voted for Brexit.

This is what will beat labour, the media, the perception of JC and the fact many in those areas have forgotten it was Maggie who destroyed their towns. But Blair and co invited the immigrants in, this is their view now.

in-fucking-deed!

 

[Chippy_boy]

That’s multiple different policies. I agree though, I was just pointing one of their policies that would be a help rather than a hindrance to businesses.

Bear in mind most people are employers rather than business owners (which is why the 90% figure, which to me sounds like businesses that don’t trade with the EU rather than don’t benefit in some way from the single market, doesn’t really mean much).

It should be about being good for both sets, the issue currently is with the two main parties, they go too far to look after one or the other.

To be honest, although I am a Remainer - I voted Remain, campaigned passionately for Remain and still think Brexit is a daft idea - I think so long as we get a free trade deal (and I genuinely believe we will) then the impact from Brexit will be minor. Barely noticed by most people, for whom life will continue pretty much as it is now.

I do not think that is the same if Labour were to get in. I think most people in this country, within a couple of years would be deeply regretting letting Corbyn and McDonnell in. And the lasting damage after 5 years once we got rid of them, would take another 10 (again) to get us back to where we are now. Perhaps longer.