General Election - December 12th, 2019

Who will you vote for in the 2019 General Election?

  • Conservative

    Votes: 160 30.9%
  • Labour

    Votes: 230 44.4%
  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 59 11.4%
  • Green Party

    Votes: 13 2.5%
  • Brexit Party

    Votes: 28 5.4%
  • Plaid Cymru/SNP

    Votes: 7 1.4%
  • Other

    Votes: 21 4.1%

  • Total voters
    518
Your party spent £1.5 billion bribing the DUP ... Which was the point of my post..... and for what ? Thats where your taxpayer £'s are being wasted.

also £100m on ad's for a Brexit date he knew he couldn't make - about the same again on a ferry company with no ferries and settling lawsuits because they failed to follow their own tender guidelines - its funny but when they waste public money it goes almost unreported.
 
Because once there is no commercial imperative to do things better, or even well, then people stop caring, start to not give a toss and service spirals inexorably downwards. Simple really.

so we would have been better sticking with a rickety local and unreliable electricity supply which also wouldn't benefit from the economies of scale when procuring plant and machinery or maybe you liked town gas and those big old gasometers in every town? Nationalisation was what improved them. The bad part of nationalisation is if/when the govt in charge neglects the industries or underfunds them - you know like they have done with the NHS. Simple really.
 
Don't you just love it when Johnson come's out with statements like this they are a gift to Labour's policy.

What we won’t be doing is some crackpot scheme that would involve many, many tens of billions of taxpayers’ money nationalising a British business

He just proves his ignorance in this because when the Koren's, Japanese and Swedish are doing this are they all crack pots too? Maybe also the fact that these investments assets will pay for themselves in 7 years and the money will be coming out of the private sector trough this irks him somewhat? https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ter-savings-bills-national-grid-a9203636.html

I honestly think that this is transformative policy and even though its been nicked from the Brexit party its brilliant policy. Not only do the business aspects make sense but also the economics in that it can create a barrier to entry for these tech companies. In the same way BT SKY Virgin and the like can ban illegal IPTV so can the government once it owns BT Openreach. So when the likes of Facebook, Google, Amazon try to not pay their fair share then they get blocked. Its not ideal but do you think Zuckerberg is going to want to lose out from revenue from denied or restricted access to a market? If there is one thing you learn in business that is the best way to make someone pay is leverage and this along with coordinated cooperation around the world will reign these guys in.
 
I wonder what Virgin Media think about their 'BT infrastructure' or indeed the many independent UK internet providers in rural locations using satellite links.

Virgin are the only major provider not to use the Openreach network- they have their own.
 
so we would have been better sticking with a rickety local and unreliable electricity supply which also wouldn't benefit from the economies of scale when procuring plant and machinery or maybe you liked town gas and those big old gasometers in every town? Nationalisation was what improved them. The bad part of nationalisation is if/when the govt in charge neglects the industries or underfunds them - you know like they have done with the NHS. Simple really.
Consolidation provided benefits I guess, but I am not sure what argument or proof there is that being owned by the state was beneficial. So yes, I think they would have been much more successful if we'd allowed market competition and allowed the best to rise to the top and acquire others.

There are exceptions to this of course, but I don't think Amazon would have benefitted from being owned and run by the government, and nor has the electricity industry.
 
This election is as expected, only dirtier.

I'm not posting in here much as it's stuffed with the same tory fuckwits trolling, spitting bile and sucking Johnson's dick.

The arseholes might well get the result they crave, and the only comfort to be had is the sincere hope they all suffer the consequences.

You've been missed with content like that Fumble old bean.
 
Your party spent £1.5 billion bribing the DUP ... Which was the point of my post..... and for what ? Thats where your taxpayer £'s are being wasted.

That money went to NI and everyone living there.

Its become almost established fact that its sat in some Swiss bank account under the name Arlene but that isn't the case and it wasn't a bribe as bribes are illegal.
 
There are some things that you have to spend on ... so that you can maintain your independence / capability..... you've not answered the question tho. What do we do in the event of a crisis such as war when we have lost our steel manufacturing capability ?
I'd imagine we'd buy it from France or Germany perhaps? Do you imagine we'll be at war with them any time soon? Or with China, for that matter?
 
Who is going to buy their broadband product when a free one hits the market?
And who is going to invest in the next gen fibre (or whatever comes next) when there's zero money in it?

Did no-one on the left on this forum actually notice the state of the trains when the government last owned them? Did this COMPLETELY escape you?
 
BBC NI...

The European Commission has approved, under State aid rules, €2.6bn of public subsidy for the Irish National Broadband Plan. The Commission concluded that the scheme's positive effects on competition outweigh potential negative effects brought about by public intervention’.
 
BBC NI...

The European Commission has approved, under State aid rules, €2.6bn of public subsidy for the Irish National Broadband Plan. The Commission concluded that the scheme's positive effects on competition outweigh potential negative effects brought about by public intervention’.
Ah so EU rules don't affect this then. Cool beans
 

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