General Election - December 12th, 2019

Who will you vote for in the 2019 General Election?

  • Conservative

    Votes: 160 30.9%

  • Labour

    Votes: 230 44.4%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 59 11.4%

  • Green Party

    Votes: 13 2.5%

  • Brexit Party

    Votes: 28 5.4%

  • Plaid Cymru/SNP

    Votes: 7 1.4%

  • Other

    Votes: 21 4.1%
  • Total voters
    518
BobKowalski said:
BBC NI...

‘The European Commission has approved, under State aid rules, €2.6bn of public subsidy for the Irish National Broadband Plan. The Commission concluded that the scheme's positive effects on competition outweigh potential negative effects brought about by public intervention’.
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No competition to build the network and they will be selling it to providers when it is built.

It isn't free to anyone!
 
BobKowalski said:
BBC NI...

‘The European Commission has approved, under State aid rules, €2.6bn of public subsidy for the Irish National Broadband Plan. The Commission concluded that the scheme's positive effects on competition outweigh potential negative effects brought about by public intervention’.
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Today of all days - I guess that approach puts the mockers on some peoples claims about the feasibility of doing it and staying in the EU. On another tack.......they kept this one quiet......the evil EU helping out a member state - the absolute bastards!




 
kevin horlocks wand said:
because they are already paying for it and can afford to do so. Not many can afford a road ?

the focus should be on getting those who can’t afford it or in remote areas being connected not paying for Sergio aguero or amazons broadband .

it’s free , nothing is free it’s all paid for by someone , that someone should not be the central government


Just like labours other policies they commit to do this by 2030. Another policy they don’t have to deliver on in the next term.
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Public funds are necessary to build roads and public funds will be necessary to lay fibre cables to lots of small communties. A lot of the basic infrastructure BT uses was laid down in the days of public ownership which they have upgraded and added to.

As for how it works well it depends how it is structured. There could be a basic free package available to all which would allow for internet shopping, job seeking and applications but not say streaming videos which you have to go private to pay for. If the videos are part of an educational course you could exempt them. The basic free package could be provided by private companies with costs met by the Govt giving private companies the option of including add ons to tempt customers through the door with the hope of upselling more features later.

The better the infrastructure and the more people connected the better it is for private companies to provide additional entertainment services and features. Sergio will still be paying for his wi-fi.
 
blueinsa said:
No competition to build the network and they will be selling it to providers when it is built.

It isn't free to anyone!
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McDonnell just thanking the UCW for their help in planning the asset expropriation of rip off companies like BT, Virgin.... British Broadband will follow the successful examples of British Shipyards, British Steel, British Leyland, British Coal etc etc - nationalizing our future under Labour as they nationalized the past.
 
blueinsa said:
No competition to build the network and they will be selling it to providers when it is built.

It isn't free to anyone!
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I addressed this in my earlier reply but you accept that we need pubic expenditure to provide the infrastructure. In return for using that infrastructure private companies can lease it. To repeat what I said earlier. Private internet companies could also feature a basic no cost service as part of that lease cost which would allow for internet shopping, job seeking and applications but not say streaming videos which you have to go private to pay for. If the videos are part of an educational course you could exempt them. In addition to this basic free package private companies would provide options and premium packages with a view to upselling later.

Private companies get the benefit of a wider and upgraded infrastructure and access to more customers. They could run advertising on a free basic cost service. I’ve spent about five minutes on this and I’m not even scratching the surface of how this could be a benefit to everyone and still allow companies to make money and give people choice.
 
BobKowalski said:
I addressed this in my earlier reply but you accept that we need pubic expenditure to provide the infrastructure. In return for using that infrastructure private companies can lease it. To repeat what I said earlier. Private internet companies could also feature a basic no cost service as part of that lease cost which would allow for internet shopping, job seeking and applications but not say streaming videos which you have to go private to pay for. If the videos are part of an educational course you could exempt them. In addition to this basic free package private companies would provide options and premium packages with a view to upselling later.

Private companies get the benefit of a wider and upgraded infrastructure and access to more customers. They could run advertising on a free basic cost service. I’ve spent about five minutes on this and I’m not even scratching the surface of how this could be a benefit to everyone and still allow companies to make money and give people choice.
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This potentially sounds a lot like the destruction of net neutrality, something I'm not keen on at all
 
BobKowalski said:
Private internet companies could also feature a basic no cost service as part of that lease cost which would allow for internet shopping, job seeking and applications
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Keep hold of that good accountant Bob, you will need him ;-)

The rest of your 5 min scratch is pure waffle mate as no one in their right mind is paying for a broadband connection when a free one is on offer, no one.
 
blueinsa said:
Keep hold of that good accountant Bob, you will need him ;-)

The rest of your 5 min scratch is pure waffle mate as no one in their right mind is paying for a broadband connection when a free one is on offer, no one.
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I get the impression that you didn't understand his post then wrote it off as waffle.
 
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blueinsa said:
Keep hold of that good accountant Bob, you will need him ;-)

The rest of your 5 min scratch is pure waffle mate as no one in their right mind is paying for a broadband connection when a free one is on offer, no one.
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It’s not about the connection it’s what you can access with the connection. I can get online and read a limited version of a newspaper. I want to see more I have to pay. Netflix. I have to pay. I can chose not to pay and limit myself to what is free or sites that use advertising as a revenue model.

I can download the free version of a game or I can pay for the better version.

Paying for everyone to be connected is not the same as we can watch and see everything for free.
 
west didsblue said:
I get the impression that you didn't understand his post then wrote it off as waffle.
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Did you?

It might have been the free service which gets paid for when streaming but if its an educational video it could be free again..........

Waffle sums it up nicely imo.
 
BobKowalski said:
It’s not about the connection it’s what you can access with the connection. I can get online and read a limited version of a newspaper. I want to see more I have to pay. Netflix. I have to pay. I can chose not to pay and limit myself to what is free or sites that use advertising as a revenue model.

I can download the free version of a game or I can pay for the better version.

Paying for everyone to be connected is not the same as we can watch and see everything for free.
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Is this Labour policy then Bob?

Free broadband but its practically useless as everything is blocked?

Real vote winner and good value too for the £Billions it will cost.

Might be better and cheaper to offer a broadband credit to those on benefits and in need of connection for job hunting instead rather than just trying to take private assets, promise the world and deliver very little for huge cost?
 
aguerrrroooooooooooo said:
This potentially sounds a lot like the destruction of net neutrality, something I'm not keen on at all
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The temptation, say, to throttle speeds on a free service can be negated by introducing a minimum download speed. A U.K. wide minimum which companies have to meet. I wouldn’t be worried about a premium package offering higher speeds personally but it would bear looking at it in more detail for potential downsides.
 
TheBlueDune said:
Just had call back from 5Live responding to my text asking if I wanted to speak on the show. Bottled it. Hang my head in shame (:
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Bollocks to that, blue.

Wear your refusal to appear on the broadcaster that uses our money to pay salaries to Simon Stone and Dan Roan as a badge of honour.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
He he, you getting pissed off again!? XD

The fact is you don't want to accept that a term that you have only become aware of in the past couple of years has actually been around for ages amongst internet culture, but a normie like you has considered it "new". Millennials have used it against other millennials for years for a variety of reasons and definitions, and the definition you're refering too most definitely was not devised by the Boomer Generation. You're blaming the wrong demographic to suit your argument, and it doesn't wash, sorry.
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The entomology of the word isn't in question, the real question in this thread was and is that a certain section of the population want to see old people treated badly in care homes so they can have a laugh about it. Snowflake has been used for centuries as you said no amount of arguing will change that bud.
 
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