UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[PannickAtTheDisco]

This all seems like it is a well-orchestrated roll-out for the peanut gallery, no?

The Athletic have either got the very wrong end of the stick, or some sort of horsetrading has indeed gone on between City and UEFA?

UEFA not sanctioning City does not make any sense, as the Club had already established they had found us 'guilty' and were to recommend a Champions League ban.

I don't get the fine suggestion, either?

In what other legal framework can someone be cleared yet still be imposed with a punishment?

The only conclusion I can draw is that City have leverage which is far more damaging to UEFA than kicking us out of their poxy Nazi-style branded competition.

Scotland

 

[domalino]

This all seems like it is a well-orchestrated roll-out for the peanut gallery, no?

The Athletic have either got the very wrong end of the stick, or some sort of horsetrading has indeed gone on between City and UEFA?

UEFA not sanctioning City does not make any sense, as the Club had already established they had found us 'guilty' and were to recommend a Champions League ban.

I don't get the fine suggestion, either?

In what other legal framework can someone be cleared yet still be imposed with a punishment?

The only conclusion I can draw is that City have leverage which is far more damaging to UEFA than kicking us out of their poxy Nazi-style branded competition.

CAS have only ruled that City can't appeal a decision because all legal avenues haven't been exhausted and UEFA's court is not incompetent.

It might very well be that UEFA & City have gotten a nod from CAS about which way a legitimate, post-verdict appeal would go and that's resulted in the lack of penalty from UEFA.

 

[Marvin]

I don't think this is a biggie in the grand scheme of things. As far as I can see, City only went to CAS at that stage to complain that UEFA hadn't followed due process up to that point. I'm not sure any other club has gone to CAS at that stage of an investigation, and CAS are just confirming that they can't get involved at this stage. What beggars belief is why couldn't they have said this as soon as the club went to them! Anyway, if UEFA's final decision is a guilty verdict then that's when CAS can get involved, and if they uphold the club's appeal I'm sure they would include UEFA not following their own process in any summary

It's still bad news. It was possible, but unlikely that they could have ruled in our favour in which case the UEFA case would be dead now.

It will not matter in the long run if Atheltic are right. It was only a few days ago that another journalist said that his information was that City would face a 1-3 year ban. That news was largely ignored. DO we just ignore the news we don't like, and be reassured by the news we like?

 

[George Hannah]

Maybe they just line their judges up and take the business in order. And when it came to our case it was a straightforward ruling?
UEFA obviously knew from our CAS referral that we are going to dispute any hostile outcome. I think that is the point.

.....and maybe David Gill is an innocent bystander - come on Marvin we can all see what's going on here, a ladder is being constructed for UEFA to climb down.

 

[George Hannah]

It's still bad news. It was possible, but unlikely that they could have ruled in our favour in which case the UEFA case would be dead now.

It will not matter in the long run if Atheltic are right. It was only a few days ago that another journalist said that his information was that City would face a 1-3 year ban. That news was largely ignored. DO we just ignore the news we don't like, and be reassured by the news we like?

You posted this nonsense while I was still correcting your previous nonsense! Tony Evans a journalist!!! lol Get a grip man, it's good news - rejoice ;)

 

[BlueMoonz1977]

Apparently Sam Lee is on a podcast with Ahsan Naeem rergarding the UEFA situation

Anyone got access to it and report ?

 

[Manc in London]

CAS have only ruled that City can't appeal a decision because all legal avenues haven't been exhausted and UEFA's court is not incompetent.

It might very well be that UEFA & City have gotten a nod from CAS about which way a legitimate, post-verdict appeal would go and that's resulted in the lack of penalty from UEFA.

First paragraph: that's my take too. They are only referring to institution not issues like fairness and reasonableness.

Second paragraph: not sure but it makes sense from the perspective of not wanting to waste resources and reputation management.

 

[cleavers]

The only conclusion I can draw is that City have leverage which is far more damaging to UEFA than kicking us out of their poxy Nazi-style branded competition.

Maybe the whole point of the CAS appeal was to prevent us being kicked out this season, as we knew it would take a while to be looked at, had we not, UEFA could have kicked us out before it started this season, they could also have told us that even if we appealed, we'd still not be allowed pending the appeal outcome.

As a result we simply bought time, time so we could still play this season, and time to get our evidence together to fight an appeal, maybe there have been further discussions with UEFA, and that they now know that our appeal would succeed and leave them looking stupid.

 

[BringBackSwales]

City wanted to put an end to the investigation, so they lodged an appeal with CAS
CAS today have said that the AC can deal with this matter as they (CAS), at the moment, have no grounds to make a decision

We are where we were a few months ago. Nothing has changed. City haven't been found guilty of anything yet

Not sure you are right that nothing has changed? We are now, seemingly, less likely to be found guilty/punished/banned than we were a few months ago? And IF we were THEN we may have a valid case with the CAS? My concern is the accuracy of Sam lee

 

[blue b4 the moon]

Quality comment, is that you mate...if so take a bow.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

This all hinges on the accuracy of The Athletic report.

Let's hope they haven't simply tagged Sam Lee in on a dual by-line to give it a degree of City legitimacy.

If he is involved, then he will have made sure of an official steer from Simon Heggie.

 

[Marvin]

You posted this nonsense while I was still correcting your previous nonsense! Tony Evans a journalist!!! lol Get a grip man, it's good news - rejoice ;)

I would take the Athletic's view because Tony Evans is a self-confessed Liverpool fan, however it seems to me UEFA are split. The investigation committee recommends one approach, the Adjudicatory Chamber another? And there will be discussion, appeals etc.

Seems to me that as Tolmie hinted, UEFA will probably meet at end of the group stages and ratify decision of the Adjudicatory chamber but there are all sorts of forces at work, La Liga Presidents etc working behind the scenes so like Exeter Blue I am not complacently thinking this is done.

 

[dickie davies]

Not sure you are right that nothing has changed? We are now, seemingly, less likely to be found guilty/punished/banned than we were a few months ago? And IF we were THEN we may have a valid case with the CAS? My concern is the accuracy of Sam lee

But we don't know
All we do know is that, the case has been passed up the ladder to the AC, so we are where we were before City lodged the appeal to CAS

I'm hoping that CAS have actually looked at the case and told UEFA that their process is flawed and even if they do find us guilty, City are bound to lodge the appeal again to CAS and CAS will find in our favour, so the best thing to do is say there isn't evidence with a similar statement that was made by the FA on the Sancho case

" the FA conducted a nine-month investigation into the allegations, but they could not find any evidence to substantiate the claims of City's illegal payment"

 

[laserblue]

Who can ever forget the way the UEFA Officials shafted us over 2 legs against Littlewwods FC.

We got shafted 4 times over the two legs. City also got shafted by the same Catalan hating Spanish ref who was in charge of the 2nd leg against Littlewoods against Monaco the previous season. In the home leg Monaco's keeper completely cleaned out Aguero in the area when he was through on goal within the first half an hour but instead of awarding a penalty and giving the keeper a red card he gave Monaco a free kick and Aguero a yellow card for 'diving'.

Apart from the Llorente handball last season we also got shafted at Schalke when the ref gave a penalty against Otamendi for handball when he had his hands behind his back. His initial decision was no penalty but when he went to review it VAR wasn't working but he bizarrely reversed his decision and gave a penalty despite seeing nothing to contradict his original decision. I know we won the game in the end and ran away with the home leg but the score was 0-0 at the time.

Then there was the blatant stamp on Aguero's foot in the area against Zagreb this season which the ref turned down and despite the clear evidence VAR didn't tell the ref to change his decision and award a penalty. (Shades of Silva at Bournemouth). Again City won but the game wasn't safe at the time of the incident.

There are multiple ways UEFA can make sure City don't win the CL. They've already made a pretty good job of it over the last 3 seasons. Bent bastards.

 

[blue b4 the moon]

seems like a fair summary

Exactly just showed the headline on BBC sport to Mrs Moon & said how do you read that....she said up shit creek until she actually looked at the whole picture, slanted biased shit as usual from the UK press.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

I would like to think City will not be taking UEFA at their word again after the previous movement of goalposts.

All today's news has achieved is to grant a window to the dark forces to apply late pressure against an non-sanction.

Again, a cynic could suggest this is exactly what is desired.

 

[Bandofblues]

.....and maybe David Gill is an innocent bystander - come on Marvin we can all see what's going on here, a ladder is being constructed for UEFA to climb down.

Too True, UEFA raced up that ladder with undue haste and without considering actual facts and admissible evidence leaving themselves wobbling precariously at the top. This was undoubtedly because they realised they had f****d up the timeline and the statute of limitations was about to kick in on an retrospective review/punishment.

The interesting questions are:
> From the UEFA standpoint can they climb back down and still save face e.g. seeking to hand City a fine rather than a ban - but that would imply they still have to find us guilty of something and it's far from clear what that is.
> From the City perspective why should they accept a punishment if they believe there is genuinely no case to answer

I hope we don't accept any punishment whatsoever, if we do then our reputation will be forever tarnished by the media.
Thing is I really cant see UEFA admitting they got it all wrong...........

 

[BringBackSwales]

But we don't know
All we do know is that, the case has been passed up the ladder to the AC, so we are where we were before City lodged the appeal to CAS

I'm hoping that CAS have actually looked at the case and told UEFA that their process is flawed and even if they do find us guilty, City are bound to lodge the appeal again to CAS and CAS will find in our favour, so the best thing to do is say there isn't evidence with a similar statement that was made by the FA on the Sancho case

" the FA conducted a nine-month investigation into the allegations, but they could not find any evidence to substantiate the claims of City's illegal payment"

We don’t know”, which is why I used the word “seemingly” and further qualified my post with doubts about the quality of Sam Lee’s sources. Thanks anyway

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

We got shafted 4 times over the two legs. City also got shafted by the same Catalan hating Spanish ref who was in charge of the 2nd leg against Littlewoods against Monaco the previous season. In the home leg Monaco's keeper completely cleaned out Aguero in the area when he was through on goal within the first half an hour but instead of awarding a penalty and giving the keeper a red card he gave Monaco a free kick and Aguero a yellow card for 'diving'.

Apart from the Llorente handball last season we also got shafted at Schalke when the ref gave a penalty against Otamendi for handball when he had his hands behind his back. His initial decision was no penalty but when he went to review it VAR wasn't working but he bizarrely reversed his decision and gave a penalty despite seeing nothing to contradict his original decision. I know we won the game in the end and ran away with the home leg but the score was 0-0 at the time.

Then there was the blatant stamp on Aguero's foot in the area against Zagreb this season which the ref turned down and despite the clear evidence VAR didn't tell the ref to change his decision and award a penalty. (Shades of Silva at Bournemouth). Again City won but the game wasn't safe at the time of the incident.

There are multiple ways UEFA can make sure City don't win the CL. They've already made a pretty good job of it over the last 3 seasons. Bent bastards.

You forgot the Atalanta defender in the first game punching the ball away in the penalty area, with the ref two yards away!

Everything else, bang on.

 

[EL APACHE TEVEZ]

I wouldn’t look too much into this,they No nothing,the boys from Abu Dhabi are loving it.