UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[HelloCity]

 

[Mid Wales blue]

Anyone else got a rumbling in their gut it’s almost time for us to fight back?

Maybe it’s just wind...

I’d sit on the toilet to confirm it’s wind, just in case!

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Rob Harris is reliably still Rob Harris:

"Breaking: Manchester City loses case at Court of Arbitration for Sport trying to block UEFA investigation into financial fair play case"
So now it’s down to the UEFA judge to deliver verdict on Man City’s FFP case and rule on whether the club deceived UEFA. That verdict could go back to the sports court for appeals. Some background in piece from last year (link)"
"The sports court ruling against Manchester City. Premier League champs were challenging findings of UEFA’s investigators (who were said to be recommending Champions League bam). Now UEFA Adjudicatory Chamber can rule on any FFP violations and the sanction to impose"

 

[OB1]

I don't think the "keep it in litigation forever" line works at this point either as a strategy or as a public comment. It's not clearing our name, and it makes people think we're guilty but just throwing our financial weight around in the courts to escape judgement.

We need the case to be closed and the ruling in our favour if we are in the right.

That's the beginning of the push back against the narrative that we flagrantly break rules. Then you have proof that a legitimate court says you're innocent and UEFA are running a kangaroo court.

Tying people up in court is a perfectly valid tactic in certain circumstances and it doesn't necessarily imply guilt.

Of course City want a final decision in their favour but that may take time to achieve. City's owner's pockets are deeper than UEFA's so they can afford to fight their cause; especially if they bevel they are innocent and will prevail in the end.

 

[mat]

That's funny because Jim Shite just hit the wank wall about the decision will allow UEFA to ban us from the Champions League.

 

[Thomas Hearns]

I'm a total layman on this subject so can someone spell out in simple terms where we're at please. If CAS have rejected our appeal isn't that bad news ? Does that mean UEFA can proceed against us as they initially planned before our appeal.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

What an absolutely disgraceful headline from the Daily Mail.

And you wonder why other fans latch on to headlines like this and hate City. Mainly United, Liverpool and Arsenal fans.

Manchester City 'to escape ban from Champions League' as UEFA prepare to admit defeat on FFP despite club's big spending and leaked emails

• There had been a belief within football that Manchester City would be banned
• But reports suggest that the Etihad Stadium side will instead receive a fine
• It will come as a blow to the strength of UEFA's current Financial Fair Play system

By AMITAI WINEHOUSE FOR MAILONLINE

PUBLISHED: 17:11, 14 November 2019 | UPDATED: 17:31, 14 November 2019

Ami Winehouse? You’d think they could come up with better than that....

 

[Marvin]

I'm a total layman on this subject so can someone spell out in simple terms where we're at please. If CAS have rejected our appeal isn't that bad news ? Does that mean UEFA can proceed against us as they initially planned before our appeal.

On it's own it's bad news. Our appeal that the original process was flawed on the grounds of due process has been lost. But some reports are suggesting that UEFA will not be sanctioning City anyway so the appeal will be irrelevant. And if UEFA do sanction City, we can appeal again to the CAS.

 

[dickie davies]

I'm a total layman on this subject so can someone spell out in simple terms where we're at please. If CAS have rejected our appeal isn't that bad news ? Does that mean UEFA can proceed against us as they initially planned before our appeal.

City wanted to put an end to the investigation, so they lodged an appeal with CAS
CAS today have said that the AC can deal with this matter as they (CAS), at the moment, have no grounds to make a decision

We are where we were a few months ago. Nothing has changed. City haven't been found guilty of anything yet

 

[razman]

Helpful clarification

 

[Thomas Hearns]

On it's own it's bad news. Our appeal that the original process was flawed on the grounds of due process has been lost. But some reports are suggesting that UEFA will not be sanctioning City anyway so the appeal will be irrelevant. And if UEFA do sanction City, we can appeal again to the CAS.

City wanted to put an end to the investigation, so they lodged an appeal with CAS
CAS today have said that the AC can deal with this matter as they (CAS), at the moment, have no grounds to make a decision

We are where we were a few months ago. Nothing has changed. City haven't been found guilty of anything yet

Thanks chaps

 

[Marvin]

So after months and months of apparent inactivity, UEFA and CAS are both moving. Negotiation or coincidence?

 

[George Hannah]

Yes, I think that's implicit in the name! It would make no sense if the AC couldn't reject something.

If it was as straightforward as that you'd think City's lawyers and CAS might have noticed at the outset. Presumably the club proceeded on the grounds that the IC decision had been accepted for adjudication together with the implication of guilt contained in that process. It has taken several months and a request from UEFA for this finding that after all - surprise, surprise - the AC has the power to reject the IC judgement on the grounds that no transgression of the rules has taken place.

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

What intrigues me is that people were calling this outcome the day we filed the appeal. So what took so long ? The optimist in me hopes that CAS sought the views of UEFA before opining and UEFA said there's no point in the appeal going aheadbecause we're not contemplating a punishment.

Trying to work out what those slippery fuckers are up to, though, is like trying to hold an eel by the tail.

As ever, I’ll believe we’re off the hook when I see it, rather than place undue faith in what Sam Lee believes will happen. No disrespect to him, just that UEFA (and the old guard driving them on) are cnuts from the planet cnut, and capable of anything

 

[Marvin]

Helpful clarification

Let us hope his report is accurate. UEFA should be watertight. These discussions are supposed to be confidential. If they have made a decision now, then why wait until December? Ratification?

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

This all seems like it is a well-orchestrated roll-out for the peanut gallery, no?

The Athletic have either got the very wrong end of the stick, or some sort of horsetrading has indeed gone on between City and UEFA?

UEFA not sanctioning City does not make any sense, as the Club had already established they had found us 'guilty' and were to recommend a Champions League ban.

I don't get the fine suggestion, either?

In what other legal framework can someone be cleared yet still be imposed with a punishment?

The only conclusion I can draw is that City have leverage which is far more damaging to UEFA than kicking us out of their poxy Nazi-style branded competition.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Let us hope his report is accurate. UEFA should be watertight. These discussions are supposed to be confidential. If they have made a decision now, then why wait until December? Ratification?

The Champions League group stage ends?

People can also read into that what they will...

 

[M18CTID]

I don't think this is a biggie in the grand scheme of things. As far as I can see, City only went to CAS at that stage to complain that UEFA hadn't followed due process up to that point. I'm not sure any other club has gone to CAS at that stage of an investigation, and CAS are just confirming that they can't get involved at this stage. What beggars belief is why couldn't they have said this as soon as the club went to them! Anyway, if UEFA's final decision is a guilty verdict then that's when CAS can get involved, and if they uphold the club's appeal I'm sure they would include UEFA not following their own process in any summary

 

[Shirley]

From Sam Lee tweet....
Alongside that, it was up to CAS to decide whether Uefa are able to impose whatever punishments they may or may not decide. Uefa can still impose what they want, but we understand they won’t ban Cith


Missed the e out there Sam!

 

[Marvin]

If it was as straightforward as that you'd think City's lawyers and CAS might have noticed at the outset. Presumably the club proceeded on the grounds that the IC decision had been accepted for adjudication together with the implication of guilt contained in that process. It has taken several months and a request from UEFA for this finding that the after all the ACl has the power to reject the IC judgement on the grounds that no transgression of the rules has taken place.

Maybe they just line their judges up and take the business in order. And when it came to our case it was a straightforward ruling?

UEFA obviously knew from our CAS referral that we are going to dispute any hostile outcome. I think that is the point.