UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[Sir peace frog]

I think it's because his tweet makes no sense whatsoever, the fact that you understand it is a bit worrying TBH ;)

Haha, I'm paid to do a job from the neck down: ) might explain a bit, haha

 

[oakiecokie]

Lower set kids don't really get homework ;)

Sorry.
Let him finish his crayoning first.

 

[kaz7]

Ric has everyone's address, so he can order inflatables, curry, ladies (or men) of the night etc etc to visit you at will.

Can he send me a gigolo please,make that 2

 

[George Hannah]

inadmissible btw OP

 

[razman]

 

[razman]

inadmissible btw OP

not me....Mods - now don't know which 1

 

[chesterbells]

I would take the Athletic's view because Tony Evans is a self-confessed Liverpool fan, however it seems to me UEFA are split. The investigation committee recommends one approach, the Adjudicatory Chamber another? And there will be discussion, appeals etc.

Seems to me that as Tolmie hinted, UEFA will probably meet at end of the group stages and ratify decision of the Adjudicatory chamber but there are all sorts of forces at work, La Liga Presidents etc working behind the scenes so like Exeter Blue I am not complacently thinking this is done.

Is that for definite? I thought I’d read Evans was an Evertonian...

 

[kippax4ever]

I’ve never called myself posh because I’m not. Can’t help it if some of the plebeians in our support think I am, just because I don’t talk like Bez.

Is that Bez mate,s

 

[BluessinceHydeRoad]

I agree that (in my view at least) the timing isn't coincidental.

CAS could have rejected our appeal within minutes of receiving it, yet they sat on it for months. Why? My suspicion is that CAS were expecting a quick decison from UEFA meaning that, whatever the verdict, they couldeither hear the appeal (if we were found guilty) or drop it (if we weren't). So there was no point in rejecting it out of hand only to have to pick it up again shortly after.

I've also said on here that I believe UEFA were hoping CAS got them off the hook by accepting our appeal and finding that UEFA had abused their own process. That would probably have been their preferred outcome as then they don't have to face a war with us but the mud thrown by them and Der Spiegel still sticks. In essence, we got off on a technicality. So both were waiting for the other to make a move, a bit like 4 cars at a mini-roundabout.

I suspect that both have been talking to each other (which is what Ben Rumsby is probably alluding to) and in order to allow the log-jam to be removed, CAS have made their decision, leaving the field to UEFA. That, to me at least, would explain the tweet from the Athletic last night preparing the ground for UEFA's decision to be announced in due course. One theory I've heard from a source I spoke to is that the sequence of events now allows parties to lobby UEFA. So the likes of those rats Tebas, Parry, Gill et al have been publicly tipped the wink about the potential lack of a ban and have a month to try to stiffen UEFA's spine. Usually knowing the source of a leak indicates the motive for it but it's not clear where last night's news came to The Athletic from.

It could be from City possibly although I doubt that. It could be from UEFA themselves, in order to manage the news or test our reslove to fight this. Or it could be from a party within UEFA with malicious intent, to try to get people lobbying for a harsher punishment, as I said earlier. It will be interesting to see if we were to get fined say €10,000 or some other derisory amount, for a minor technical administrative or accounting breach, if the club grudgingly accept it.

But one thing's pretty much for sure, UEFA have now got to show their hand and we aren't backing down if it's any more serious that that.

As ever a perceptive, objective and well thought out post, PB. I think we are facing a situation which is far more complicated than many on here believe. UEFA is a far more complex organisation than it seems and it does not have one standardised outlook, nor does it speak with one voice. You identify one of the currents of opinion as represented by Tebas, Gill, Parry etc, and another, I think, is represented by Ceferin, the voice of the smaller, East European leagues while there may even be others who still want simply to do what is best for football in Europe. At times, for example, Ceferin will gravitate to the "hawks":at others not. I think the "hawks" were probably in the ascendant when the decision to refer the case to the IC was taken and the IC's composition leaves little doubt to its likely attitude. The leaks were orchestrated by"someone" to maximise damage and even destabilise the club - little do they know Khaldoon! The ploy has backfired quite seriously: City's attitude appears to have been gloriously uncompromising, any case against us appears to get weaker by the day and more moderate elements in UEFA seem to face a dilemma. If UEFA supports its own hardliners that could be in court for a hideously expensive period fighting a case they look most likely to lose and lose badly. Nor does the CAS announcement make it any easier for them. Indeed it seems to have stressed the need for as soft an exit as can be obtained, or maybe as soft as City will allow. Fortunately for them they are dealing with the best run club in the world, which doesn't mean that we'll take another pinch to save their face, but it does mean the focus will be on establishing good relations rather than vengeance and humiliation so that the club can move forward to even greater glories.

 

[Centurions]

Haha, I'm paid to do a job from the neck down: ) might explain a bit, haha

You're a stripper? Cool, just don't tell @karen7, she'll be wanting photos.

 

[kaz7]

You're a stripper? Cool, just don't tell @karen7, she'll be wanting photos.

I want more than photo's ;)

 

[KS55]

Has anyone checked on Miguel, Ewan or Wee Dunc? Might be advisable to lock the cutlery drawers in the Castles, Delaney and McKenna residences this evening. We don't want them doing anything silly.


Do we?

We should invite the whole lot to a 'clear the air meeting' at the Shard, put them in a lift and cut the cable.

 

[KS55]

Some slight backtracking already going on with the article with comments that we might not even get a fine.

This is more like it.....fine us you ****s and see what happens!!

 

[BlueMoonz1977]

yep

i think uefa thought we would buckle and just take more punishment because of the leaked emails that was doing the rounds had to be true, but city did the other thing and knew nothing was in hiding so jumped to the CAS to call uefa bluff and i think it worked or they would have done something before now

also i truly believe all this leaked stuff was done by a couple of major club to hide the fact one was was doing the hacking ?? i can smell a rat a scouse rat who was hacking into manchester city scouting accounts and another in germany who have always had it in for us and maybe using dirty tricks to stop us

Yep. The telling part from Khaldoon is the "facts" part along with "if it is something else then that is a different conversation"

Basically saying we have answered with factual evidence to confirm no wrong doing. Try and stitch us up with a trumped up charge and fine or whatever - then the gloves are off

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

This is more like it.....fine us you ****s and see what happens!!

I wonder if UEFA's route out of this is now to say that they believe we definitely fiddled the books but, had they known about this in 2014 when they issued sanctions, it wouldn't have made any difference to the outcome anyway, we've since been fully compliant and they believe no further sanction is required and the matter is now closed for good.

That way they can find us guilty and justify the second investigation, but reduce the risk of us taking further legal action. We then say that we don't accept their findings, we've done nothing wrong and the investigation was as a result of stolen documents but as we've not suffered any punishment then we won't be taking this further. Or we could just go to CAS, which wouldn't really have a major impact on UEFA or FFP even if we won.

 

[cheekybids]

I wonder if UEFA's route out of this is now to say that they believe we definitely fiddled the books but, had they known about this in 2014 when they issued sanctions, it wouldn't have made any difference to the outcome anyway, we've since been fully compliant and they believe no further sanction is required and the matter is now closed for good.

That way they can find us guilty and justify the second investigation, but reduce the risk of us taking further legal action. We then say that we don't accept their findings, we've done nothing wrong and the investigation was as a result of stolen documents but as we've not suffered any punishment then we won't be taking this further. Or we could just go to CAS, which wouldn't really have a major impact on UEFA or FFP even if we won.

But we’ve given them answers to prove our innocence surely ignoring that we can take action against them.

 

[davek1808]

Whatever happened to the legal challenge to FFP that was being passed from court to court?

 

[BlueMoonz1977]

I wonder if UEFA's route out of this is now to say that they believe we definitely fiddled the books but, had they known about this in 2014 when they issued sanctions, it wouldn't have made any difference to the outcome anyway, we've since been fully compliant and they believe no further sanction is required and the matter is now closed for good.

That way they can find us guilty and justify the second investigation, but reduce the risk of us taking further legal action. We then say that we don't accept their findings, we've done nothing wrong and the investigation was as a result of stolen documents but as we've not suffered any punishment then we won't be taking this further. Or we could just go to CAS, which wouldn't really have a major impact on UEFA or FFP even if we won.

No way should we allow such a thing to happen. We are adamant that we have provided factual evidence to confirm no wrong doing

In this case we should force UEFA to publicly confirm in a written statement that the evidence provided exonerates us from the charges.

If they drop the charge but then somehow try to say we are still guilty in someway ?

I dont get that feeling from Khaldoon after his statements that we will accept anything of the sort

We either get cleared as we have done nothing, or they still try and discredit or charge us as they want to appease the cartel clubs - then we go to war on them


the whole corrupt lot of them

 

[cleavers]

inadmissible btw OP

./ Thanks George

 

[Rammy Blue]

I wonder if UEFA's route out of this is now to say that they believe we definitely fiddled the books but, had they known about this in 2014 when they issued sanctions, it wouldn't have made any difference to the outcome anyway, we've since been fully compliant and they believe no further sanction is required and the matter is now closed for good.

That way they can find us guilty and justify the second investigation, but reduce the risk of us taking further legal action. We then say that we don't accept their findings, we've done nothing wrong and the investigation was as a result of stolen documents but as we've not suffered any punishment then we won't be taking this further. Or we could just go to CAS, which wouldn't really have a major impact on UEFA or FFP even if we won.

I still think they will find us guilty of a lesser trumped-up charge that allows them to fine us a paltry amount, which we will begrudgingly accept in order to draw a line under the whole affair.