General Election - December 12th, 2019

Who will you vote for in the 2019 General Election?

  • Conservative

    Votes: 160 30.9%
  • Labour

    Votes: 230 44.4%
  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 59 11.4%
  • Green Party

    Votes: 13 2.5%
  • Brexit Party

    Votes: 28 5.4%
  • Plaid Cymru/SNP

    Votes: 7 1.4%
  • Other

    Votes: 21 4.1%

  • Total voters
    518
That could be perfect. Peace and quiet mid week. Excellent

For me and you yes but for many, the argument of more family time often actually means less and just more time sat on your own.

It is incredibly difficult to break from the Mon-Fri, 8-5 day with a hours lunch it really is.
 
Did you actually read what I wrote?

I did

My point is that the policy is more flexible working than working hours
but it’s too simplistic to say a 32 hour or 4 day week
Not everyone can work from home
If a business loses man hours without any reduction in costs it’s not sustainable
The policy is nothing more than a cheap headline
 
How does a nurse fireman teacher scaffolder tarmacer binman work at home?
It isn't exactly the same model for everyone, how do you think it works now for a 39 or 36 hour week , does the country grind to a halt at Friday afternoon ? Of course it doesn't different businesses and services have different models, and it wouldn't grind to a halt if we average 32 hours / week.
 
What?

We have record employment. An ever increasing minimum/living wage. Its a legal requirement to send your kids to school and the state does that, it educates for free. What is broken in that respect?

If as in your example the person has worked and paid in for 18 months then ive personally no issue in them using the welfare system in the same way a new worker leaving school and being made redundant after 18 months would.

My post was more about standard of schooling and they type of employment that we have in this country which has changed dramatically over the past 20 years leaving lots of people behind I.e gone from good mining jobs into working in Amazon factories.

I think this bears out in the tax receipts the government receives I.e with this many people employed, they would expect significantly more money in the pot
 
It isn't exactly the same model for everyone, how do you think it works now for a 39 or 36 hour week , does the country grind to a halt at Friday afternoon ? Of course it doesn't different businesses and services have different models, and it wouldn't grind to a halt if we average 32 hours / week.

It wouldn’t grind to a halt because people will work 40/50 hours s week but under a 32 hour contract as many people do now
Because we know if we don’t our business will go under and we will be unemployed
Then we will be forced to join A state owned company digging holes for broadband cables
 
My post was more about standard of schooling and they type of employment that we have in this country which has changed dramatically over the past 20 years leaving lots of people behind I.e gone from good mining jobs into working in Amazon factories.

I think this bears out in the tax receipts the government receives I.e with this many people employed, they would expect significantly more money in the pot

I might be wrong but tax take has never been greater?

https://www.statista.com/statistics/284298/total-united-kingdom-hmrc-tax-receipts/
 
My post was more about standard of schooling and they type of employment that we have in this country which has changed dramatically over the past 20 years leaving lots of people behind I.e gone from good mining jobs into working in Amazon factories.

I think this bears out in the tax receipts the government receives I.e with this many people employed, they would expect significantly more money in the pot

Good mining jobs?
What about the health of all these people now
The glory days eh
 
It’s the current rule that you can’t claim benefits until you have secured employment as it is in virtually all countries. I assume this does not include healthcare or education ie a migrant in employment cannot have access to a doctor or the healthcare system or schooling either for himself or his family. You will not attract people to this country by saying we will not care for or educate your children.

Ah seems I was wrong. Gove does think it’s unfair that EU nationals can access the health care system and should be barred from doing so. I assume we will be absenting ourselves from the principle of non discrimination between working British nationals and working EU nationals. Let’s hope the countries of the E27 don’t take a similar view.
 
I might be wrong but tax take has never been greater?

It might never have been greater but that is due to the amount of people. But given the amount it should be more

If 10 thousand people used to earn a good living in a mine but now 50 thousand work in Amazon. The tax would be more than the mine workers but if the 50 thousand and good, we’ll paid work then the whole country would benefit

*im not suggesting we reopen the mines
 
It wouldn’t grind to a halt because people will work 40/50 hours s week but under a 32 hour contract as many people do now
Because we know if we don’t our business will go under and we will be unemployed
Then we will be forced to join A state owned company digging holes for broadband cables
What's being suggested isn't that unusual and it's a direction many countries are heading towards. I don't support Corbyn or this Labour party but not every suggestion they make is bad, and it will happen sooner or later under one government or another.

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Most countries in the developed world have seen average hours worked decrease significantly.[14][15] For example, in the U.S in the late 19th century it was estimated that the average work week was over 60 hours per week.[16] Today the average hours worked in the U.S. is around 33,[17] with the average man employed full-time for 8.4 hours per work day, and the average woman employed full-time for 7.9 hours per work day.[18] The front runners for lowest average weekly work hours are the Netherlands with 27 hours,[19] and France with 30 hours.[20] In a 2011 report of 26 OECD countries, Germany had the lowest average working hours per week at 25.6 hours.[21]

The New Economics Foundation has recommended moving to a 21-hour standard work week to address problems with unemployment, high carbon emissions, low well-being, entrenched inequalities, overworking, family care, and the general lack of free time.[22][23][24] Actual work week lengths have been falling in the developed world.[25]

Factors that have contributed to lowering average work hours and increasing standard of living have been:

Recent articles[26][27] supporting a four-day week have argued that reduced work hours would increase consumption and invigorate the economy. However, other articles state that consumption would decrease, which could reduce the environmental impact.[28][29][30] Other arguments for the four-day week include improvements to workers' level of education (due to having extra time to take classes and courses) and improvements to workers' health (less work-related stress and extra time for exercise). Reduced hours also save money on day care costs and transportation, which in turn helps the environment with less carbon-related emissions. These benefits increase workforce productivity on a per-hour basis.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_time
 
I'm sorry mate but that's taking the empathy tack way too far for me. None on the front bench comes near to being capable. Yvette Cooper is the only candidate with a chance of rescuing the Labour Party.

Christ
Is that based on us all feeling sorry for her because of who she’s married to?
 
Ah seems I was wrong. Gove does think it’s unfair that EU nationals can access the health care system and should be barred from doing so. I assume we will be absenting ourselves from the principle of non discrimination between working British nationals and working EU nationals. Let’s hope the countries of the E27 don’t take a similar view.

Is it normal practice for countries to offer free education and healthcare to foreign nationals?
 
What's being suggested isn't that unusual and it's a direction many countries are heading towards. I don't support Corbyn or this Labour party but not every suggestion they make is bad, and it will happen sooner or later under one government or another.

"
Most countries in the developed world have seen average hours worked decrease significantly.[14][15] For example, in the U.S in the late 19th century it was estimated that the average work week was over 60 hours per week.[16] Today the average hours worked in the U.S. is around 33,[17] with the average man employed full-time for 8.4 hours per work day, and the average woman employed full-time for 7.9 hours per work day.[18] The front runners for lowest average weekly work hours are the Netherlands with 27 hours,[19] and France with 30 hours.[20] In a 2011 report of 26 OECD countries, Germany had the lowest average working hours per week at 25.6 hours.[21]

The New Economics Foundation has recommended moving to a 21-hour standard work week to address problems with unemployment, high carbon emissions, low well-being, entrenched inequalities, overworking, family care, and the general lack of free time.[22][23][24] Actual work week lengths have been falling in the developed world.[25]

Factors that have contributed to lowering average work hours and increasing standard of living have been:

Recent articles[26][27] supporting a four-day week have argued that reduced work hours would increase consumption and invigorate the economy. However, other articles state that consumption would decrease, which could reduce the environmental impact.[28][29][30] Other arguments for the four-day week include improvements to workers' level of education (due to having extra time to take classes and courses) and improvements to workers' health (less work-related stress and extra time for exercise). Reduced hours also save money on day care costs and transportation, which in turn helps the environment with less carbon-related emissions. These benefits increase workforce productivity on a per-hour basis.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_time

I probably agree with you
My point is that the issues of flexible working I fully agree with and I do it and am thankful that I can

I just don’t like the headline vote seeking stuff
Similar to Tory’s planting a new rainforest in each town
 
Can't see it the BP have nosedived from around 10-13 when the election was called to about 5 or 6 %. By election day they could be fairly irrelevant. What votes they do get will hurt Johnson as much as Corbyn. The thing is Corbyn can't form a government best he can hope for is a hung parliament where any damage it does to Johnson could be the difference between government and a hung parliament.
A hung parliament will see the end of Corbyn and Johnson. Don't think either party can do any worse than the current 2 leaders.
I agree about the BP, their voters are starting to realise that voting for them now is pointless in many areas, so the
support is falling off. Where it gets interesting is the North, there are seats that have never been Tory, so their influence
there may make an impact, but I doubt it, if the Tory canvassers convince them that they won't get Brexit by voting for them.
Some will still vote for the BP, but I heard today they're only standing in 46 out of 75 seats in the North West, (figures may not
be exactly right), which would mean those
who are fiercely Brexit will vote Tory, but hold their nose. I don't think some people are aware of how strong is the disgust at Labour's
shenanigans re Brexit, many folk voted in the referendum for the very first time. When their vote has been stymied, and these
usually politically quiet people get screamed at as being racists, and thick idiots, who didn't know what they were doing,
then these people will be very pissed off indeed.
 

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