General Election - December 12th, 2019

[The perfect fumble]

Correct, which is what most of the country wants,and he implemented more policies to help working families than Corbyn ever will. To be fair though he'd only have needed to introduce one good policy to have been more use to society than Corbyn with all his ideology will have been when we end up with Johnson again.

I suppose crumbs might be considered a blessing compared to fuck all.

 

[Mike D]

I think the graph he posted was real terms which account for inflation and suggest that, contrary to the claims by Labour that healthcare has been savagely cut, it's not true. Healthcare has had its spending protected and increased in real terms but especially so in comparison to a lot of other public services. The question though is why is the NHS seemingly going backwards and where is all the money going? I'd suspect it isn't necessarily the financing that is the biggest issue, and while demographics plays a part, it is the outsourcing, agencies, PFIs, and part-privatisation of the NHS that accounts for a lot of the waste and even though a lot of that begun under Blair, it has increased under the Tories for ideological reasons above all else. There is also the failure to reclaim money from a lot of other countries for treating their citizens.

Increase in real terms are just bollocks and I here this bullshit every time this comes up from any tory minister we are putting record amounts into the NHS. Its nonsense because I f I give you a £10 then £10.01 then next year I have just broke a record in what I gave you. I will ignore the reclaiming money from other countries because the amounts involved are trivial to say the least considering the fact it would cost more to recoup than is actually owed. But you are right the NHS is going backwards as was pointed out on Sky interview https://news.sky.com/story/general-...-spending-claim-stand-up-to-scrutiny-11860557

The increases in NHS are stark 1.3% between Cameron and Thatcher put in 3.1% Major around 4.5% You can't keep kidding yourself this is all to do with spending budgets that were previously not counted in the spending because they were for capital are now being used for day to day spending. You can't keep pulling the wool over peoples eyes on this and even Johnson see this,

 

[blueparrot]

I suppose crumbs might be considered a blessing compared to fuck all.

Yes ,the sooner the Labour party realises and works for voters and families instead of members then the sooner we'll have a Labour government. Until then you can carry on with your fantasy Labour party delivering fuck all and helping nobody. Selfish twats.

 

[George Hannah]

Did he tell them they could fuck themselves?

On Friday 13th we'll have a nightmare in Downing Street no matter the outcome of the election - that's unfortunately the problem. To answer your question - obliquely I think he did. They are not really representative of the fundamentalist capitalist congregation he is seeking to please but they gave him an easy ride anyway.

 

[inbetween]

New Labour's high priest Tony Blair, attracted Tory voters because he was a third way/one nation/socially liberal/ neoliberal Tory.

Blair was very popular and had popular policies that saw us into probably the greatest decade in history until 2008.

Calling out Blair as a Tory when he fought and beat Tories by winning huge electoral victories just shows the warped shambles Labour has become.

Would I vote for Blair over the Tories today, yes. Would I vote for Corbyn, no. That sums it up.

 

[Fred_Quimby]

Yes it is very true that spending has gone up but and this is a big BUT it is being spent outside of the NHS. There is a severe shortage of doctors and nurses(fact) so they cannot cope with the day to day running of the service consequently some are farmed out to private companies and hospitals who make a profit from the tax payer. Virgin Care is a prime example of this although not the only one. The Tories ‘promise’ to build many, many hospitals but how many of them will be run like the Virgin ones with private companies making fat profits out of the NHS? It’s no wonder Mr Fart is anxious to get Boris in power and have a slice of the action for American health providers. You not think this will not happen? it already is.

Our local hospital has to send children 35 miles to Lincoln because there is a shortage of staff. The Tories promised to build a larger A & E but the head of A & E said ‘thank you very much but we don’t have the staff to run it as it is let alone if we increase its size’. It’s not necessarily the amount of money it is the fact that the Tories have run down the service so that the NHS has had to go outside to private firms to be able to function and that is where the money is being spent.

 

[George Hannah]

Increase in real terms are just bollocks and I here this bullshit every time this comes up from any tory minister we are putting record amounts into the NHS. Its nonsense because If I give you a £10 then £10.01 then next year I have just broke a record in what I gave you.

That's not what an increase in 'real terms' means - it is the exact opposite in an inflationary context.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Blair was very popular and had popular policies that saw us into probably the greatest decade in history until 2008.

Calling out Blair as a Tory when he fought and beat Tories by winning huge electoral victories just shows the warped shambles Labour has become.

Would I vote for Blair over the Tories today, yes. Would I vote for Corbyn, no. That sums it up.

Did he do those things?

He won in 1997, John Smith would have won that election, my gran would have won it, her budgie Peter would have won it, then Blair managed to haemorrhage five million votes over ten years.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Yes ,the sooner the Labour party realises and works for voters and families instead of members then the sooner we'll have a Labour government. Until then you can carry on with your fantasy Labour party delivering fuck all and helping nobody. Selfish twats.

There's always the Lib Dems.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

New Labour's high priest Tony Blair, attracted Tory voters because he was a third way/one nation/socially liberal/ neoliberal Tory.

If we assume that's the case, it follows that being a third way/one nation/socially liberal/neoliberal appears to work.
Winning is what it's about, if Corbyn loses this one, I don't see socialism being the hot topic again.

 

[inbetween]

Did he do those things?

He won in 1997, John Smith would have won that election, my gran would have won it, her budgie Peter would have won it, then Blair managed to haemorrhage five million votes over ten years.

Blair did well and oversaw lots of public spending, lots of economic growth and well the US led war and later financial collapse in 2008 cost him.

He lost votes because of that toxic legacy around Iraq and with Brown it was a time when the Tories were seeing their own centrist resurgence under a younger Cameron.

I think the circumstances are quite similar to now. Anyone with any degree of credibility or sensibility would win a landslide against Corbyn OR Johnson.

With this election though you can only pick between what flavour of idiot you want and that is why the Tories will win, since 2017 they are still the least worst option for most people.

 

[Len Rum]

Johnson's speech to the CBI was excruciatingly embarrassing.
He obviously hadn't prepared (as per), stuttered throughout and told some stale jokes everyone had heard before to stony silence.
This is our PM for fcuks sake. He makes Trump look statesmanlike. His surname should be Yeltsin not Johnson.
Anyway never mind, Jezz followed him with a great one liner 'hoped you enjoyed the warm up act '.

 

[Fame Monster]

Increase in real terms are just bollocks and I here this bullshit every time this comes up from any tory minister we are putting record amounts into the NHS. Its nonsense because I f I give you a £10 then £10.01 then next year I have just broke a record in what I gave you. I will ignore the reclaiming money from other countries because the amounts involved are trivial to say the least considering the fact it would cost more to recoup than is actually owed. But you are right the NHS is going backwards as was pointed out on Sky interview https://news.sky.com/story/general-...-spending-claim-stand-up-to-scrutiny-11860557

The increases in NHS are stark 1.3% between Cameron and Thatcher put in 3.1% Major around 4.5% You can't keep kidding yourself this is all to do with spending budgets that were previously not counted in the spending because they were for capital are now being used for day to day spending. You can't keep pulling the wool over peoples eyes on this and even Johnson see this,

Well I don't know about changes in the way in which the NHS budget is calculated (?) but if that's not true, then a real terms increase matters as well as an increase in the per patient spending (which have both happened) because it's enough to show that the NHS hasn't been cut (by almost all metrics). Whether that increase is enough, or whether that money is being spent in the right areas, is a different question.

Again, on not reclaiming money from foreign patients, the idea that it would cost more to reclaim seems absurd but if you've got credible evidence otherwise then I'll change my mind but on issue of size, yes it's a fraction of the NHS budget but that's not a reason to not do it. One estimate is that it would allow us to recoup £290M (which is a low estimate), which is much bigger than the profit of Royal Mail.

 

[inbetween]

Johnson's speech to the CBI was excruciatingly embarrassing.
He obviously hadn't prepared (as per), stuttered throughout and told some stale jokes everyone had heard before to stony silence.
This is our PM for fcuks sake. He makes Trump look statesmanlike. His surname should be Yeltsin not Johnson.
Anyway never mind, Jezz followed him with a great one liner 'hoped you enjoyed the warm up act '.

Jezzer with a great one liner and then proceeded to tell the CBI how much you dirty capitalist lot are going to have to pay.......

 

[BobKowalski]

Planned Corporate Tax reduction is off the table according to Johnson. Not a huge surprise. A lot of money will need to be spent so both sides will be looking for revenue

 

[hilts]

I wonder how Corbyn would fare in interview under caution about his IRA associations during the 'troubles'?

He was innocently in Ireland on holiday at the time and thought the balaclava was the national hat.?

Turkish fez equivalent in his mind I believe. He does have form for this kind of bad luck.

 

[George Hannah]

Johnson's speech to the CBI was excruciatingly embarrassing.
He obviously hadn't prepared (as per), stuttered throughout and told some stale jokes everyone had heard before to stony silence.
This is our PM for fcuks sake. He makes Trump look statesmanlike. His surname should be Yeltsin not Johnson.
Anyway never mind, Jezz followed him with a great one liner 'hoped you enjoyed the warm up act '.

In the 'singular red' eye of the beholder lol

 

[Len Rum]

You do realise it was the UK Government that insisted on the backstop and agreed it with the EU?
All this about Boris got the EU to remove the backstop simply feeds into the English persecution complex of the big bad EU forcing us to do something and then the plucky English fighting back and winning.

Yes.
That government changed its leader.
The rest is the usual anti British tosh we're accustomed to.

Neatly sidestepping my point Ancient.
It's laughable that you claim a ' victory' for the UK in changing a policy the UK originally suggested and agreed to a policy originally proposed by the EU.
The fact that we had to change PMs to achieve that change is an internal UK victory for the Conservative party. It certainly doesn't represent a 'victory' against the EU.
Is there any simpler way I can explain this to you?
Please let me know.

 

[Len Rum]

Jezzer with a great one liner and then proceeded to tell the CBI how much you dirty capitalist lot are going to have to pay.......

No that was in the preceding speech by Johnson.
Fcuk business.

 

[hilts]

Did he do those things?

He won in 1997, John Smith would have won that election, my gran would have won it, her budgie Peter would have won it, then Blair managed to haemorrhage five million votes over ten years.

So a budgie could beat the Tories but Corbyn/this Labour can't. Thank God you have seen the light:-)