BobKowalski
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Don’t disagree although I think the majority will be smaller than that as tactical voting may have an impact in key marginals.
General Election - December 12th, 2019
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Don’t disagree although I think the majority will be smaller than that as tactical voting may have an impact in key marginals.
George Hannah
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Corbyn will be boomed over, go a fetching and appropriate red colour around the gills and then get peevish. Maybe make-up can save his roseate anger becoming too apparent.
Seems we traditional Labour supporters on here are not the only ones deserting the party as a result of the policies of the current leadership and the attitudes of its followers like yourself who have no tolerance for normal, balanced centrist Labour voters:
https://www.lbcnews.co.uk/politics/...-clp-chair-quits-branding-corbyn-a-clown-who/
There are more and more examples like this coming to the fore as the stranglehold of the purists will consign Labour to a party of increasingly less relevance over the years - starting next month
It is truly a shame for those of a centre-left persuasion and UK democracy as a whole where there is a need for a credible choice to the Conservatives.
I would suspect that the next 20 years will lead to a decade of Tory dominance - thanks to the left-wing purists - and a reversal of roles between the LibDems and Labour with the LBs being established as the main opposition party and Labour becoming the marginalised protest group.
As I say - a true shame but you reap what you sow and at least it will see an complete end to the influence of the likes of McClusky
bronco
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LBC eh ?? Was the express site paywall only ??
Actually, it's Friday the 13th, when we know ;)
I accept that - but it will be the actions of the electorate on the glorious 12th that will lead to the left-wing purists having to face their nightmare on the 13th
That's the way they are rolling - a sense of desperation in the wind?
So where does this assumption come from that parents will not care enough to take their children to their FREE dental check unless it is convenient for themselves to have an appointment as well
The truths are becoming very obviously inconvenient to quite a few on here and the facts simply have to be twisted
TBF - I think that one has been already telegraphed;-)
I see that as a clever way of getting the media and therefore the public focussing on the issue of Brexit in the hours ahead of the debate - not what slippery Jeremy wants
Chippy_boy
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Whereas Johnson just needs to pull Corbyn up on his truths. He is unelectable, with his idiotic ideologies only shared by a small minority of the electorate.
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Funnily enough, had Labour demonstrated a will for a referendum in that election then there probably would of been a hung Parliament.
Then there would of been no Corbyn or a referendum...
The perfect fumble
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To be honest I don't want either of them.
???? are you making any point of relevance there?
- I saw it on LBC - which is more Labour & Remain leaning
- I do not know what the express has to do with it
- It was a true account of something that has happened
You're clearly not making any point of relevance and just seeking to deflect from the truth and facts of events - there is a lot of that stuff from you boys at the moment
abu13
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My take on this is that Labour are an absolute disgrace to be in the position they are.
I say this as a labour supporter of over 30 years.
I am of the opinion that the job of Boris in tonight's debate is to say to the electorate look at our record while we have been in power, look at how we have improved the lives of the British people, look at how we have improved services, look at the trust we have built up over the years.
A sitting government should be more about their record rather than what they propose to do going forward.
It is damning of the labour party that they are unlikely to even mount a serious challenge to the Tories after the total clusterfuck of austerity, Brexit and the collapse of social services and the NHS.
If labour do fail then they need a change of leadership, i'm not against Corbyn as such but he appears to be the single most divisive factor in the labour parties future.
They need a young dynamic leader in my opinion.
I say this as a labour supporter of over 30 years.
I am of the opinion that the job of Boris in tonight's debate is to say to the electorate look at our record while we have been in power, look at how we have improved the lives of the British people, look at how we have improved services, look at the trust we have built up over the years.
A sitting government should be more about their record rather than what they propose to do going forward.
It is damning of the labour party that they are unlikely to even mount a serious challenge to the Tories after the total clusterfuck of austerity, Brexit and the collapse of social services and the NHS.
If labour do fail then they need a change of leadership, i'm not against Corbyn as such but he appears to be the single most divisive factor in the labour parties future.
They need a young dynamic leader in my opinion.
Chippy_boy
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Behind his buffoonery however, Boris espouses a set of core beliefs and principles which I broadly agree with. He's no hard-liner, he's a moderate Tory who believes in a pro-business agenda, low(ish) taxation and decent public services. Whereas Corbyn is a romantic, idealistic fool who believes in a state-run everything for the benefit of everybody and yet who refuses to accept the abject failure of this broken ideology everywhere it's ever been tried. We do not want him experimenting with, and ruining our economy by way of final proof, thank-you very much.
bronco
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The LBC Facebook page is a long way from remain or labour friendly , I have only ever listened to the station a handful of times and found it quite right wing leaning if anything ? tbh I could point you to several web pages that claim the total opposite of the " labour heading for oblivion " mantra that seems popular with some on here ....the proof of the pudding as they say ? . The same BS from right wing media was spun in 2017 and of course if not for a few Ulster bigots saving her Arse , may would not have stayed in power when a landslide win was predicted for her weeks earlier !! One last thing ...was out with a couple of "our boys " on Saturday who were canvassing for labour in Altrincham that very morning , they told me that 99 per cent of feedback they got from locals was very positive towards Corbyn and labour ? You pays your money ......
journolud
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We are both seeing what we want to see. Corbyn is quoted as saying in the press release that 40% of children don't go to the dentist- he is correctly stating a fact based on NHS figures (although the most recent figures I could find were from a couple of years ago and suggested the figure was marginally higher). He could add "despite it being free" but this doesn't add anything to the narrative, we already k now its free for children.
No disrespect to you because I don't think you are trying to be untruthful but I think you are taking a very literal view. Adults are put off by the cost, some of those adults might well be feckless and not interested in their childs welfare, some of them might just be doing their best to juggle. The move towards free dental check ups if it happens isn't just about money and perhaps here labour could have done more to push the change of culture needed, not just in respect of dental care but in being proactive in managing our health generally. The NHS might not be quite so fucked then.
As for your last sentence, it lacks empathy and is too much of a generalisation.
People can make their own minds up about the press release:
https://labour.org.uk/press/labour-to-offer-free-dental-check-ups-for-all/
The issue we have is that capitalism is not working as expected anymore. Profits are not turning into investment, thus higher productivity, thus higher wages and better living standards. This may be due to a few very wealthy people owning too much, i.e. buy companies with the companies own cash, leverage them to the max, pocket the loaned cash. Its happening all over the world and will end in tears. Not sure why the banks are supporting this, as these companies are going bust trying to repay the loans. Even very experienced economist say things have to change.
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