carlosthejackal
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No way on earth could small businesses operate under some of these suggestions .
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No way on earth could small businesses operate under some of these suggestions .
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Plenty of good proposals in the manifesto but unfortunately they won't see the light of day because of the unpopularity and toxicity of some of the other ones, not to mention the possibility of raising £80B in tax without touching income tax/NI/VAT for 95% of people being wildly optimistic.
If Labour are ever going to win a general election again, they need a more centrist manifesto, a new front bench, a complete disassociation/ban on Momentum/Momentum members from the Labour party amongst other things in order to win trust back from the electorate. If they succeed then they can try and put some of the radical policies in the manifesto for the second term. But full on ideology/utopia/fantasy politics will never work unless there's some kind of huge financial collapse along the lines of 2008.
If Labour are ever going to win a general election again, they need a more centrist manifesto, a new front bench, a complete disassociation/ban on Momentum/Momentum members from the Labour party amongst other things in order to win trust back from the electorate. If they succeed then they can try and put some of the radical policies in the manifesto for the second term. But full on ideology/utopia/fantasy politics will never work unless there's some kind of huge financial collapse along the lines of 2008.
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The IFS has laid heavily into the manifesto as unworkable, yet both the tories in government and as the coalition were highly sceptical of yhe IFS which criticised their methods and finding and is equally seen as too stuck in an economic mindset that is based on UK financial thinking rather than expand it's viewpoint to more open thinking.
In fact they have said johnsons proposals are financially unworkable previously to the tories have said they should to be ignored.
Labours plans would see state investment still lower than several EU countries and internationall increasing state exspediture to around 44% is not radical or even left wing, but in line with most countries.
What it is is a departure from the last 10 years or so and so to many seems radical and extreme, where it is infact just a reversal of austerity, an ideology that has failed.
In fact they have said johnsons proposals are financially unworkable previously to the tories have said they should to be ignored.
Labours plans would see state investment still lower than several EU countries and internationall increasing state exspediture to around 44% is not radical or even left wing, but in line with most countries.
What it is is a departure from the last 10 years or so and so to many seems radical and extreme, where it is infact just a reversal of austerity, an ideology that has failed.
I know that do you not think that they know this? its for companies in general.
Lets be honest its looking like a hung parliament and depending on how the numbers fall then Labour would form a coalition with the SNP being the preferred option. Lib Dems are haemorrhaging votes with a leader who is bat shit crazy with all the charisma of a wet smelly sock.
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This ludicrous policy is absolutely going to massively increase homelessness, it reminds me when rent controls were brought
in years ago, tenants agreeing the rent you ask, then scuttling to the rent tribunals and getting it lowered, the result,
unsurprisingly, was landlords getting shot of their properties as soon as they could, creating a far bigger homeless problem.
It's envy politics that ends exactly the same as all the others, the people conned into believing these economic fairytales
end up on the streets.
And it then becomes the fault of the Tories.
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If what you say is correct, then the Libs must be a shoo-in for the GE.
Absolutely storm it, no?
Scottyboi
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Not really no as people are still voting for their normal party regardless of their Brexit view it seems.
Lib dems want to cancel Brexit, Conservatives want to use their deal and leave and Labour are offering you the choice of one or the other which for me is the most sensible option.
All 3 parties are shit scared of what Brexit will do for swaying voters when in reality on the day I reckon most will vote as they usually do, but like i say in my personal opinion Remain would romp home if we had the choice between a deal or remain.
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If that's the case, then it seems Libs scrapping Brexit isn't working for them, remainers aren't flocking to them it would seem.
The first two points are entirely correct, the third one isn't, Labour is proposing negotiating a deal involving staying in the CU
and SM, which is remaining, returning to the people and telling them to ignore it, and really remain, then having a referendum based on
remain v remain. It's not really very popular, apparently.
So therefore, you think Labour will win, as they are offering you what you want, I think you'll be wrong,
but we'll see.
Scottyboi
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No i don't think Labour will win, Conservatives are still getting votes from people who want to remain but would rather risk Brexit with Boris than remain with any of the others. Will be closer than I first thought originally though Boris is shit at campaigning and isn't inspiring hope just banging on about Brexit and Labour instead of saying what he has to offer.
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Any Remainer who wants to vote on Brexit being bad for the economy should avoid voting Labour as though it was the plague as the costs of voting Labour are far higher than the worst case Brexit scenarios.
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Remain would likely win but that thinking is why so many are contemplating voting Tory who normally wouldn't. No-one wants to vote for what is sensible, they want what they want.
If Labour said they'd negotiate a better deal and then vote through that deal without a referendum then they would be neck and neck in the polls... But they aren't and they are at the limits of what they can win because of their Brexit policy.
I'm not saying the Tories will win a majority but I am saying that Labour definitely won't.
So you think that investing money into the economy in terms of infrastructure is better than taking £90billion out? Please share your wisdom I am really looking forward to this one.
I think that you will also find gaps in people not wanting to vote. Some died in the wool voters from both sides are horrified by both leaders and not willing to vote Lib Dem's or Brexit either and that is precisely why I see this as being a hung parliament. Brexit party shot itself in the foot doing a deal with Johnson and Swinson is very self confident but no charisma what so ever (and both are losing votes).
When McDonnell started to bring out these policies - and also suggested a 'right to buy' scheme in the PRS - I acted to move my agreements onto periodic terms meaning I only have to give a short notice period. That is 12 families - 13 including mine - where I live hoping that Labour do not get elected.
hilts
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Yeah I said I’m pretty sure it will be a hung parliament and deals will have to be done which will lead to more referendums or another election.
Chippy_boy
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The polls currently put the Tories around 12 points ahead, and that would probably get them a majority. I accept there is a question - based largely on how an abjectly awful Theresa May managed to drop the ball in her campaign - about whether Labour can close that gap by 12th of December. Who knows, the gap may widen.
So I think it is inaccurate to say at this point, it is looking like a hung parliament. At this point, it's looking like a Tory majority. Polling guru John Curtis in the FT said the Tories need a 6 or 7 point lead to sneak a majority. He may be out by a bit, but they are comfortably ahead of that at the moment.
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As the IFS says the impact on the UK will be not just on the top 5% of earners. Do you think business will sit back and pay 7% more corperation tax? Tax reduction will be top of every companies action list. Jobs will be lost and investment decisions (put off till we know what sort of Brexit we will have) will be put off iindefinately. The oil and gas tax raid will make North sea investment untenable that's 120,000 jobs on the line BTW). 5-10% fall in private pension plans due to telecom nationalisation(s) at rates specified. 20% off private pensions due to stock market crash. Initial capital flight from the UK elsewhere will be 300bn as soon as a Labour victory becomes clear. Maybe double/treble that within a week. Tax income from the City will fall dramatically.
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The IFS are not the oracle and are not always right with what they say? Makes you wonder why when taxes were cut why firms are still sitting on huge cash piles ? Please tell me you haven't copied and pasted the rest from the tory website set up for Labour manifesto because the rest smells like bullshit to me I mean a stock market crash and 20% off pension are you smoking crack or something the rest is just absurd?
What worries me is that there are plenty of countries in the EU that already are further on in some of these policies Germany, France, and Spain for example who own and run railways and utilities. Yet when Corbyn mentions do we get these fanciful predictions of stock market crashes arma fucking geddon. How do they all cope Germany must have such a poor economy.
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