General Election - December 12th, 2019

Who will you vote for in the 2019 General Election?

  • Conservative

    Votes: 160 30.9%

  • Labour

    Votes: 230 44.4%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 59 11.4%

  • Green Party

    Votes: 13 2.5%

  • Brexit Party

    Votes: 28 5.4%

  • Plaid Cymru/SNP

    Votes: 7 1.4%

  • Other

    Votes: 21 4.1%
  • Total voters
    518
dave_blue12 said:
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Ah what lovely straws you clutch there my friend. Fortunately from my perspective, yours is but one poll whereas the latest summary of all polls (from the FT today) shows no such narrowing:

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Chippy_boy said:
Ah what lovely straws you clutch there my friend. Fortunately from my perspective, yours is but one poll whereas the latest summary of all polls (from the FT today) shows no such narrowing:

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Got a call from a polling company the other day. First time ever, I was very excited.
 
dave_blue12 said:
Says the little man with a massive chip on his shoulder.

You are very welcome !
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What "chip" would that be mate? I think you will find that the term refers to someone who is resentful of a particular situation or status quo, someone who is unhappy in some way and who feels hard done by?

I have no such feelings, I am very happy with my lot and with the status quo and hope it shall remain that way. Are you?

So anyway, your comment is entirely inaccurate as well as being incredibly ironic.

Thank-you.
 
Chippy_boy said:
What "chip" would that be mate? I think you will find that the term refers to someone who is resentful of a particular situation or status quo, someone who is unhappy in some way and who feels hard done by?

I have no such feelings, I am very happy with my lot and with the status quo and hope it shall remain that way. Are you?

So anyway, your comment is entirely inaccurate as well as being incredibly ironic.

Thank-you.
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That is not how you come across my friend.
 
Chippy_boy said:
So you're ambivalent or even supportive of a Tory victory then? That's good to hear.

Not clutching at anything, my arse.
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What a srange deduction.

I do not want but expect a Tory victory.

I posted the Times article to play a little game with you and predictably ....

Anyway I have things to do now, enjoy your afternoon.
 
dave_blue12 said:
I posted the Times article to play a little game with you and predictably ....

Anyway I have things to do now, enjoy your afternoon.
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No, you didn't mate. You and yours hanging on every sniff of a bit of news which might give you a glimmer of hope is very plain to see.

Enjoy your afternoon as well and sorry to have burst your bubble.
 
Cheesy said:
Not once have I done a cash job.

Like I said in previous post, there is absolutely zero point in paying myself holiday/sick pay.

I don't only pay tax on dividends, I also pay Corporation Tax.
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You called it right in your earlier post mate......

Some of them not only don't understand - they make no effort to understand.

It is the politics of ill-founded envy - because all they are being envious of is other people having the gumption and drive to work incredibly hard to build their business.
 
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Chippy_boy said:
Ah what lovely straws you clutch there my friend. Fortunately from my perspective, yours is but one poll whereas the latest summary of all polls (from the FT today) shows no such narrowing:

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Don't we see YouGov polls being slagged off when it suits their narrative?
 
Chippy_boy said:
It's either undeliverable or would involve FAR greater tax rises, hitting virtually everyone. Of course Labour cannot admit to this so they've chosen to just lie instead.

Moreover, the base rate is 0.75% at the moment. Government borrowing on anything like the proposed scale would necessarily mean interest rates going up. The base rate could *easily* double or treble. (For reference, base rates in 2007 under Gordon Brown were over 5%.) Especially when the pound collapsed, which it would. McDonnell even admitted that in 2017.

Just a 1% rise would mean anyone with a £200k mortgage is £167 a month worse off. But not only mortgages, rents would go up as well, and if the government tried to prevent rent rises, the landlords would pull out of the rental market.

And it would actually be worse still. Increased government debt interest would mean less money to balance the books and more tax rises as well.

And if rates went up more than say 1% it would be a catastrophe with hundreds of thousands or even millions of people unable to afford their mortgage payments and risking losing their homes.

The Labour manifesto is an act of vandalism on the UK economy and British public, with John McDonnell and his stated objective of smashing the capitalist system behind it.
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I'm afraid your recourse to interest rates appears deeply dishonest. Thatcher hiked high rates even higher in 1979 (17%). Rate was 7% when Labour took over in 1997. The rate was reduced to 0.5% after the crash.

I know the Tories like to claim credit for low interest rates but it's another con.
 
Vic said:
I'm afraid your recourse to interest rates appears deeply dishonest. Thatcher hiked high rates even higher in 1979 (17%). Rate was 7% when Labour took over in 1997. The rate was reduced to 0.5% after the crash.

I know the Tories like to claim credit for low interest rates but it's another con.
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Why is it you have your head so DEEPLY in the sand all the time? It's quite bizarre.

There is nothing remotely dishonest in what I said and I made no claims at all about why rates are where they are nor who is to thank for it. I am merely stating facts:

Interest rates prior to the crash were >5% under Labour. They are now 0.75% and this is EXTREMELY low by any historic standards. If they went to a more typical, say 3% half the population would be significantly poorer and many would be in deep shit.

Interest rates are strongly influenced by a number of things:

1. Creditworthiness. If the UK's credit rating were to be further downgraded, they would go up. This is likely if debt rises to levels which the reference agencies regard as dangerous and /or they perceive that borrowing is not under proper control.

2. The value of the pound. A significant drop in the value of the pound (an eventuality John McDickhead has admitted is likely if Labour win) would force the BoE to look at raising rates.

3. Inflation. Higher wages push up manufacturing and distribution costs, which pushes up the cost of finished goods and fuels inflation. This would be exacerbated by a weaker pound and higher imported goods and raw material costs. Also exacerbated by higher demand fueled by increased minimum wage and public sector pay promises.

It is 100% cast iron certain that we'd be forced to raise interest rates significantly were Labour to get in, and that the vast majority of people in the UK would be very badly impacted by this. You can deny and divert and distract all you like, but that is the fact of the matter. Labour would make most people poorer. It's as simple as that.
 
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