General Election - December 12th, 2019

[bluethrunthru]

Most people would take the concerns seriously enough to warrent consideration.

You're just trying to deflect, once again, another statement of concern by a prominent Jewish community figure, because it's potentially going to make Corbyn look bad or cost them votes at the polls. You don't give a shit about the Jewish community or their concerns, you're only concern is how damaging this article might be to Labour.

Ooooooo the gang is all here - what a surprise. You really should read the post before commenting - oh forgot you never do.

Cue deflecting post and unamusing gif

 

[bluethrunthru]

If they condemned the Tories for persistent, repeated and institutionalised racism, yes of course I would. But they haven't because it's not there.

And before your knee-jerk attempted cover up kicks in, yes I am aware of allegations of islamophobia but it's nothing like on the same scale is it. And the acid test is that Islamic groups are not coming out en masse condemning the Tories. Jews are re Labour.

How you can even begin to try to defend this is frankly astonishing. What depths will you lot stoop to???

Oddly you bring up Tory Islamaphobia when I made a point of not doing. Are you Baroness Warsi?

Read my posts then make a rational response or don't bother.

( Clue - I wasn't defending Labour )

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Most people would take the concerns seriously enough to warrent consideration.

You're just trying to deflect, once again, another statement of concern by a prominent Jewish community figure, because it's potentially going to make Corbyn look bad or cost them votes at the polls. You don't give a shit about the Jewish community or their concerns, you're only concern is how damaging this article might be to Labour.

I think you are spot on. This is a massively damaging accusation for Labour. Probably and hopefully fatal for this bunch of extremists. Some middle ground is needed..

 

[Metal Biker]

Ooooooo the gang is all here - what a surprise. You really should read the post before commenting - oh forgot you never do.

Cue deflecting post and unamusing gif

That's... pretty ironic. There is no gif in the world that would accurately ridicule your statement, and i've not posted any for a while, but it's funny to see they still bother you.

"Gang"? It's two/three people calling you out for a pretty poor comment about Jewish concerns about Labour. The best you could have said was that you regretted that certain prominent Jewish figures felt this way about Labour, and that hopefully his views on Corbyn and Labour were not as widespread as feared amongst the Jewish community but no.

You have to go right full on ignorant; "pfft why is this Jewish guy criticising ONLY Labour and Corbyn when everyone else hates them too! Why is he singling out Labour for antisemitism? Why not the Toires aswell? It's not fair! This antisemitism thing is making Labour look bad and it might cost us the election!!" (paraphrasing)

 

[Metal Biker]

Correct, you were condemning the tone of the article for focusing solely on Labour and not mentioning other groups that have a supposed issue with the Jewish community.

And it was ignorant as fcuk, hence the criticism.

Anyway Jews have as much to fear from the rest of society and politics as they do from Labour yet these folk focus in on Labour as the single most threat to their existence.

I mean fucking hell...

 

[bluethrunthru]

That's... pretty ironic. There is no gif in the world that would accurately ridicule your statement, and i've not posted any for a while, but it's funny to see they still bother you.

"Gang"? It's two/three people calling you out for a pretty poor comment about Jewish concerns about Labour. The best you could have said was that you regretted that certain prominent Jewish figures felt this way about Labour, and that hopefully his views on Corbyn and Labour were not as widespread as feared amongst the Jewish community but no.

You have to go right full on ignorant; "pfft why is this Jewish guy criticising ONLY Labour and Corbyn when everyone else hates them too! Why is he singling out Labour for antisemitism? Why not the Toires aswell? It's not fair! This antisemitism thing is making Labour look bad and it might cost us the election!!" (paraphrasing)

Nope - piss poor effort on your part.

Yes your gifs had become pathetically predictable - the gang is the same 3 or 4 - sad you don't have a den for get togethers never mid a name. As for the rest hwoooossshhhh - missed the point again - I wasn't defending Corbyn or Labour - njow do you see what I was doing?????

 

[bluethrunthru]

Correct, you were condemning the tone of the article for focusing solely on Labour and not mentioning other groups that have a supposed issue with the Jewish community.

And it was ignorant as fcuk, hence the criticism.

Nope - not even close.

 

[Metal Biker]

Nope - piss poor effort on your part.

Yes your gifs had become pathetically predictable - the gang is the same 3 or 4 - sad you don't have a den for get togethers never mid a name. As for the rest hwoooossshhhh - missed the point again - I wasn't defending Corbyn or Labour - njow do you see what I was doing?????

Explain what you meant by this.

Anyway Jews have as much to fear from the rest of society and politics as they do from Labour yet these folk focus in on Labour as the single most threat to their existence.

Or this.

There is a disgraceful way in which the LC and now the Chief Rabbi are using their position to sway votes - they have every right to be Tory supporters but to invoke support on the back of their influence I find distasteful.

and finally...

I'd love to see the reaction from the JC and the Chief Rabbi when there is no sign of the persecution they have preached about - egg on faces.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I feel, for whatever reason, we’ve made our choice and we need to stick by it and deal with the consequences - and rebuild as a nation if we need to.

We’ve done it plenty of times before. We are a remarkable nation. I think, long term, assuming the human race survives, we’ll be fine as a country. Too much going for it. We’re too culturally prominent to fade away to irrelevance.

Edit , possibly wrong thread tbf. Apologies, but can’t be arsed moving it.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Explain what you meant by this.

fuck me - for the hard of understanding - i.e. YOU

1/ My beef is with the chief Rabbi and the JC ( more particularly its rabid right wing editor ) weaponising their faith to promote their own political leanings.
2/ The second quote points to the fact that I was suggesting they have more to fear than Labour NOT that they have nothing to fear from Labour.

Jesus you are hard work

 

[bluethrunthru]

We’re too culturally prominent to fade away.

So is the Greek culture - however they are economically fucked - and by their own hand with hindsight. To remain culturally relevant its ok to become economically less relevant by dint of our own actions? Nobody voted leave for cultural reasons surely? Even Johnsons pamphlet doesn't claim that lol

 

[Metal Biker]

fuck me - for the hard of understanding - i.e. YOU

1/ My beef is with the chief Rabbi and the JC ( more particularly its rabid right wing editor ) weaponising their faith to promote their own political leanings.
2/ The second quote points to the fact that I was suggesting they have more to fear than Labour NOT that they have nothing to fear from Labour.

Jesus you are hard work

A chief rabbi who is a prominent figure of the jewish community, taking the time in a national newspaper in raising the same concerns others in the jewish community has also shared and you say he's only doing it to influence people to vote against Corbyn's Labour because you undervalue it or say it's worse elsewhere.

Right now, many from the Jewish community are telling you that out of all threats it is Labour they fear the most. YOU don't get to tell THEM what they should and shouldn't fear. Right now they fear a Corbyn led Labour Government. It is not an isolated comment, it is being repeated from many other sources, both left and right.

 

[bluethrunthru]

A chief rabbi who is a prominent figure of the jewish community, raising the same concerns others in the jewish community has and you say he's only doing it to influence people to vote against Corbyn's Labour.

Right now, many from the Jewsih community are telling YOU that out of all threats it is Labour they fear the most. You don't get to tell THEM what they should and shouldn't fear. Right now they fear a Corbyn led Labour Government. It is not an isolated comment, it is being repeated from many other sources.

Yes I am. Anyone who repeats it does so for their own political reasons. I support Labour for political reasons. People who condemn one party or support another is for their own political reasons. Its politics. Is it that hard to understand?

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

So is the Greek culture - however they are economically fucked - and by their own hand with hindsight. To remain culturally relevant its ok to become economically less relevant by dint of our own actions? Nobody voted leave for cultural reasons surely? Even Johnsons pamphlet doesn't claim that lol

Greek culture is culturally prominent? Not for a few hundred years. Hasn’t been since the discovery of the New World, I would say. Esoteric language and anachronistic culture that’s been in decline for far longer than this country.

 

[Metal Biker]

Yes I am. Anyone who repeats it does so for their own political reasons. I support Labour for political reasons. People who condemn one party or support another is for their own political reasons. Its politics. Is it that hard to understand?

YOU will never understand it.

Your devotion to Corbyn blinds you to everything else, as you've shown tonight. Your ignorance to the issue is off the charts. This began with Jewish Labour members speaking out at their treatment within the party!

 

[bluethrunthru]

Greek culture is culturally prominent? Not for a few hundred years. Hasn’t been since the discovery of the New World, I would say. Esoteric language and anachronistic culture.

we still won't give them their marbles back though lol - and I enjoyed Knossos

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

we still won't give them their marbles back though lol

As far as I’m concerned they can have them!

 

[meltonblue]

Part of the issue is that some are politicising the antisemitism issues in labour. That doesn’t detract from the fact they have serious issues both within their party and with their processes to deal with it though.

Neither do those points have anything to do with issues of Islamaphobia in the Tory party, which is also being politicised by some and admittedly doesn’t get anywhere near the same level of exposure and is being overlooked as a consequence by too many too.

I’d rather both sort their own houses out before they look to castigate the other. For Labour, that means realising that if the chief rabbi makes a statement, then your first thought should not be that he might be politicising the point himself, but how to fix the problem that actions (or lack of) by the party so far has made him feel compelled to make it on behalf of those he represents.

The latter is how a party that is truly all inclusive would act. I cannot say I’ve seen that at all from labours leadership so far and I don’t see that changing any time soon.

 

[bluethrunthru]

YOU will never understand it.

Your devotion to Corbyn blinds you to everything else, as you've shown tonight. Your ignorance to the issue is off the charts. This began with Jewish Labour members speaking out at their treatment within the party!

You just don't get it. Only someone who see's but doesn't read would agree. Unless your read and chose not to understand. Particular grievances are important but I was referencing tonights intervention. Right is not on the side of one man just because of the position that he holds especially when he uses that position in an unseemly manner. Indignation of one man is not something to be used as a religious tool. Coercion of others by the use of a position held as a result of faith is an unseemly use of the position held by that person particularly for ones own gain. Kick it into touch as we will never agree.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Part of the issue is that some are politicising the antisemitism issues in labour. That doesn’t detract from the fact they have serious issues both within their party and with their processes to deal with it though.

Neither do those points have anything to do with issues of Islamaphobia in the Tory party, which is also being politicised by some and admittedly doesn’t get anywhere near the same level of exposure and is being overlooked as a consequence by too many too.

I’d rather both sort their own houses out before they look to castigate the other. For Labour, that means realising that if the chief rabbi makes a statement, then your first thought should not be that he might be politicising the point himself, but how to fix the problem that actions (or lack of) by the party so far has made him feel compelled to make it on behalf of those he represents.

The latter is how a party that is truly all inclusive would act. I cannot say I’ve seen that at all from labours leadership so far and I don’t see that changing any time soon.

They are both highly poisoned political parties. Unrecognisable from what they once were. And not for the better. All our politics is poisoned at the moment. Not good. Not good at all.