General Election - December 12th, 2019

Who will you vote for in the 2019 General Election?

  • Conservative

    Votes: 160 30.9%

  • Labour

    Votes: 230 44.4%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 59 11.4%

  • Green Party

    Votes: 13 2.5%

  • Brexit Party

    Votes: 28 5.4%

  • Plaid Cymru/SNP

    Votes: 7 1.4%

  • Other

    Votes: 21 4.1%
  • Total voters
    518
TheRemainsOfTheDave said:
What facts do you have that it was even politically motivated? Also plenty of people get a slap even though they were the agitator. Let's have the facts please before jumping to conclusions.
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Cmon, really? surely you are not going to defend/condone that behaviour?
valid point to question headlines, fair enough, but a few have been interviewed btw, one described dropping off a labour leaflet, and then being followed, confronted & assaulted after.
 
Coatigan said:
Cmon, really? surely you are not going to defend/condone that behaviour?
valid point to question headlines, fair enough, but a few have been interviewed btw, one described dropping off a labour leaflet, and then being followed, confronted & assaulted after.
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That's why I asked for facts. The article linked had no mention of what happened and yet the subsequent responses leaped to conclusions without further details. If people want others to agree then at least provide supporting evidence.
 
TheRemainsOfTheDave said:
What facts do you have that it was even politically motivated? Also plenty of people get a slap even though they were the agitator. Let's have the facts please before jumping to conclusions.
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You mean other than the fact they were attacked whilst canvassing for the Labour party?
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
or watch question time and see a member of the audience ask boris a difficult question about waspi. And think after you have already posted your fully costed manifesto with no mention of it.

oh shit that’s another thing we can give out and nick a few votes , yep we will pay that as well for you as well vote labour.

how much 58billion. How are you going to pay for it , fuck knows but it’s a vote winner .
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Women's and Widows / Widowers pensions should never have been stolen in the first place ..... and the resulting National Insurance Fund surplus of £24,221,220,000 should not have been used to reduce the National Debt (which the Tories have more than doubled anyway). In any event Labours promise of £100 per week for each week stolen gives payments of between £15380 and £31,300 hardly peanuts but it wasn't just their pensions that were stolen .... it was their plans and dreams for the future as well.
 
inbetween said:
What you want is retribution and revenge on the better off, you aren't interested in solving poverty otherwise you'd only talk of policies that could solve poverty. Where the money came from wouldn't matter although for some reason Labour wants to solve poverty but talks 99% of the time about anything but how it would do just that.

All the talk is of taxing and spending but there isn't anything on how this will actually help people to be richer. Will you increase benefits? What will you do about the subsequent rabid inflation?

What will you do to protect peoples mortgages from interest rates because of this inflation? What will Labour do to protect from the predicted collapse in the £? How will Labour protect jobs put at risk by increased regulation, costs, tax?

The answers to these questions could gravely affect virtually every household in the country and they would be inflicted as a direct result of a Labour government.

Where are the answers? Or should I just assume I will be paying nothing and everything will be fine....? Lol
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I’m not suggesting anything that is Labour Party policy and I don’t understand why different ideas just cannot be debated on here. I should have realised that all most of you want is the status quo. If you think it’s working as it is then good on you.
 
joe123 said:
You mean other than the fact they were attacked whilst canvassing for the Labour party?
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Many people regard doorstep canvassers of whatever party as rather frightening and can react inappropriately. Canvasser skirmishes are commonplace of course, in fact they are seen by some of them as the primary objective of the exercise. Vic is much safer behind his headset.
 
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Ifwecouldjust....... said:
Women's and Widows / Widowers pensions should never have been stolen in the first place ..... and the resulting National Insurance Fund surplus of £24,221,220,000 should not have been used to reduce the National Debt (which the Tories have more than doubled anyway). In any event Labours promise of £100 per week for each week stolen gives payments of between £15380 and £31,300 hardly peanuts but it wasn't just their pensions that were stolen .... it was their plans and dreams for the future as well.
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ive got some shocking news for you. Stand by.

you know when you pay your national insurance for your state pension that money isn’t invested and ringfenced with your name on it and you can take it out when you are 65 and draw your state pension.

the national insurance you pay now for your pension is just lumped into a huge pot called taxes and those taxes are used to fund the nhs, benefits, defence and yes pensions of those pensioners drawing their pension in that year the taxes are collected.

when you get to 65 if that pot in that tax year isn’t big enough at that time and there are more pressing priorities then , like a climate emergency for example then there may not be enough money then in the general tax pot to pay your pension.

Things change and priorities change and there is only so much money in the pot. It is clearly gender biased and so they had to equalise it. They could have brought men down to the same as the women or bring women up to the age men get. They did the latter as ages are increasing and there isn’t enough money to do the former no matter how nice that would have been. I think the gender age gap for men and women is a disgrace anyway particularly as statistically women live longer than men anyway .

what next those who were studying at school hard before the coalition came into power believing that their university education would be free but that was then taken away from them by tuition fees, should they bring a claim to?

maybe I should claim as I bought a diesel car as the govt told me to , but now i am polluting the planet and need a green car. Should I sue them for my loss.
 
BlueAnorak said:
That's the reason the policy is in the Tory manifesto it will be popular. I've spent nearly £500 on hospital parking over the last two years with my wifes ailments and hospital stays. I now call it my "Hospital Parking Tax" for that is what it is.
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.... The Tory Policy is 'Free parking for staff on night shift' (When the Car parks are mainly empty anyway because theres no visitors) and 'Free Parking for visitors for the terminally ill' ...... you can already visit those people who are terminally in and in Hospice care for free ... so giving away nothing there .... it will only apply to those who are dying in the hospital .

people visiting for treatment and to see family will still have to pay (probably an increased rate to make up for the profits lost by Car Parking companies (You know .... the Tory Way)
 
George Hannah said:
Many people regard doorstep canvassers of whatever party as rather frightening and can react inappropriately. Canvasser skirmishes are commonplace of course, in fact they are seen by some of them as the primary objective of the exercise. Vic is much safer behind his headset.
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Does sound a bit nasty. Guy got a broken jaw.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...ndemns-attacks-on-two-canvassers-in-their-70s

I took umbrage at the idea this was solely anti-Labour when it appears commonplace, as you say, for all canvassers to get abuse.
 
BlueAnorak said:
Seriously, you would have to have been blind, deaf and dumb not to notice what was happening. There was a TV advertising campaign + letters to every female NI payer.
Now they did the equalization too quickly in my view and the years you worked to pay a full stamp needed work - but that's all. It's certainly nowhere near a bill of £58bn.
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There was but the process was accelerated in 2010 / 2012 by Tories and Lib Dems coalition ... it is this acceleration and the failure to communicate it properly and give people the extra time to prepare which is the injustice.

As pointed out before ..... if your Private pension Company had done this you would've had them in court rapid.
 
George Hannah said:
Many people regard doorstep canvassers of whatever party as rather frightening and can react inappropriately. Canvasser skirmishes are commonplace of course, in fact they are seen by some of them as the primary objective of the exercise. Vic is much safer behind his headset.
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Skirmishes as the primary objective? You do come up with some crap (which I've never said to anyone while canvassing). If someone comes up with daft stuff on the doorstep, the primary objective is to get away and on to the next house, not to waste time in an argument that will not end in their voting for you. The problem this time is that instead of just ignoring Tory voters, it would be good to find the Tory Remainers who hate Johnson more than they fear Corbyn. I found a couple yesterday but the "firm Tories" may not be quite so firm. An awful lot of people don't know which way they will vote.
 
George Hannah said:
Many people regard doorstep canvassers of whatever party as rather frightening and can react inappropriately. Canvasser skirmishes are commonplace of course, in fact they are seen by some of them as the primary objective of the exercise. Vic is much safer behind his headset.
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Canvassers can indeed be an utter nuisance, but I've never been that annoyed or intimidated by a 70+ year old to give them a kicking.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Well done Vic, well done. We knew we could rely on you for a bit of deflection when tough questions get asked of Labour. Shame it doesn't seem to be working when you're knocking on those doors though.
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So rebutting your assertion that Muslims don't seem too bothered about Tory Islamaphobia is "deflection"? It's just balance.
 
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