General Election - December 12th, 2019

Who will you vote for in the 2019 General Election?

  • Conservative

    Votes: 160 30.9%

  • Labour

    Votes: 230 44.4%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 59 11.4%

  • Green Party

    Votes: 13 2.5%

  • Brexit Party

    Votes: 28 5.4%

  • Plaid Cymru/SNP

    Votes: 7 1.4%

  • Other

    Votes: 21 4.1%
  • Total voters
    518
karen7 said:
The RCN are never going to call it lies,they are not that sort of body
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The RCN are already running radio adverts asking people to contact their MP to complain about the shortfall of 40,000 nurses and running a petition off their website. When the RCN become militant you know theres a serious problem.


And I love Johnsons ... 'Only the Tories can fix a serious problem that they created' rhetoric. (applies to Nurses / Police / Teachers / Social Care / Prisons / Probationary Service / Brexit / Pot Holes etc etc )
 
George Hannah said:
Many people regard doorstep canvassers of whatever party as rather frightening and can react inappropriately. Canvasser skirmishes are commonplace of course, in fact they are seen by some of them as the primary objective of the exercise. Vic is much safer behind his headset.
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So it's the victim's fault? Classy.
 
Mike D said:
The main issue here is content Paul Johnson from our dear friends at the IFS has been quoted as saying that there's barely enough in the manifesto for a budget never mind a 5 years of parliament. It strikes me now at half way point and Johnson is more scared of losing this than being bold and stating his case for winning and driving home his advantage personally I think that he has bottled it. But would love to here from some Tory voters on how exciting this manifesto is positives. Apart from get the tired old slogan of Get Brexit Done and guess how much its going to costs its devoid any substance what so ever.
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Thats because the first thing they will do is to strip you of your rights (Both Human and Employment) crack down on Unions etc Authoritarian Governments don't release manifestos
 
Vic said:
So rebutting your assertion that Muslims don't seem too bothered about Tory Islamaphobia is "deflection"? It's just balance.
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No, it's not balance, it's a transparent attempt - not by you necessarily, but by some - to try to neutralise the antisemitism argument. There is no "balance" between the two. The Toryies are not being investigated by the Equality and Human Rights Commission. They do not have numerous Islamic bodies and spokespeople coming out and expressing their concerns (they have some, but nothing like on the same scale). They don't have masses people asserting that the party leader is unfit to be leader because of his failure to deal with racism in his own party. There is no balance between the two parties on this and to try to suggest some kind of equivalence is solely in an effort limit damage to the Labour party.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
Dearie me, the most one eyed bullshit yet, the Labour party is being investigated by the ECHR, I wonder why.
There is a comprehensive list some pages back that lists Corbyn's stance, he's a cancer in Labour, and the biggest reason,
together with IRA Johnny, that they are where they are.
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Why? Because they received a number of complaints about allegations of antisemitism in the party. They've received a number of complaints about Islamophobia in the Conservative party. I don't expect we'll hear whether they will launch an investigation into that until after the election.
 
Vic said:
Skirmishes as the primary objective? You do come up with some crap (which I've never said to anyone while canvassing). If someone comes up with daft stuff on the doorstep, the primary objective is to get away and on to the next house, not to waste time in an argument that will not end in their voting for you. The problem this time is that instead of just ignoring Tory voters, it would be good to find the Tory Remainers who hate Johnson more than they fear Corbyn. I found a couple yesterday but the "firm Tories" may not be quite so firm. An awful lot of people don't know which way they will vote.
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I too have canvassed for the Labour Party in every election except the last one and know exactly whereof I speak. You need to get off the phone and get into the real world to experience the wonderful and challenging realities of doorstep conversation with voters and the rich interchange with those engaged in the same task on behalf of opposition parties.
 
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George Hannah said:
A discussion about Labour party anti-semitism morphing into one about slavery is perhaps not surprising given the Jewish race were one of its principal victims. Yet, inevitably, its prevalence in the rest of the world throughout recorded history is ignored in the enthusiasm for condemnation of our own country's crimes.
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The "everybody else does it" defence!
 
Vic said:
Why? Because they received a number of complaints about allegations of antisemitism in the party. They've received a number of complaints about Islamophobia in the Conservative party. I don't expect we'll hear whether they will launch an investigation into that until after the election.
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There you go with your deflection again. The problem is nothing like on the same scale, as doubtless you know full well. And your attempt to trivialise and downplay the issue within the Labour party is frankly a bit embarrassing.
 
karen7 said:
He has no respect for the queen,used her to read out his waffle,lied to her about shutting down parliament and now wants to use her again,she is 93 ffs,i she says fuck orft

MPs could vote on Boris Johnson's Brexit deal before Christmas if the Conservatives win a majority in the general election.

Downing Street has said that Mr Johnson would call for a Queen's Speech on 19 December if he remains prime minister after the election.


If this happens, the state opening of parliament would go ahead with "reduced ceremonial elements".
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Knowing Johnsons form he'd probably ask Prince Andrew to do it
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
The RCN are already running radio adverts asking people to contact their MP to complain about the shortfall of 40,000 nurses and running a petition off their website. When the RCN become militant you know theres a serious problem.


And I love Johnsons ... 'Only the Tories can fix a serious problem that they created' rhetoric. (applies to Nurses / Police / Teachers / Social Care / Prisons / Probationary Service / Brexit / Pot Holes etc etc )
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Well if the Tories can't fix it then we are really fucked, because sure as hell a Corbyn-led Labour government cannot.

Do you never even bother to ask yourself how on earth all of Labour's spending pledges could be sustainably paid for? Are you simply in "I'm not listening, I'm not listening, I'm not listening" mode? Or are you genuinely serious about making an informed decision and prepared to engage in some open-minded thought about how deliverable their promises actually are?
 
George Hannah said:
more bad news for Jezzer


EPHRAIM MIRVIS | COMMENT

november 25 2019, 5:00pm, the times
Ephraim Mirvis: What will become of Jews in Britain if Labour forms the next government?
ephraim mirvis

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Elections should be a celebration of democracy. However, just weeks before we go to the polls, the overwhelming majority of British Jews are gripped by anxiety.

During the past few years, on my travels through the UK and further afield, one concern has been expressed to me more than any other. Of course, the threats of the far right and violent jihadism never go away, but the question I am now most frequently asked is: What will become of Jews and Judaism in Britain if the Labour Party forms the next government?

This anxiety is justified. Raising concerns about anti-Jewish racism in the context of a general election ranks among the most painful moments I have experienced since taking office. Convention dictates that the Chief Rabbi stays well away from party politics — and rightly so. However, challenging racism is not a matter of politics, it goes well beyond that. Wherever there is evidence of it, including in any of our political parties, it must be swiftly rooted out. Hateful prejudice is always wrong, whoever the perpetrator, whoever the victim.

The Jewish community has endured the deep discomfort of being at the centre of national political attention for nearly four years. We have been treated by many as an irritant, as opposed to a minority community with genuine concerns. Some politicians have shown courage but too many have sat silent. We have learned the hard way that speaking out means that we will be demonised by faceless social media trolls and accused of being partisan or acting in bad faith by those who still think of this as an orchestrated political smear. Yet, I ask myself: should the victims of racism be silenced by the fear of yet further vilification?

Therefore, with the heaviest of hearts, I call upon the citizens of our great country to study what has been unfolding before our very eyes.


The Jewish community has watched with incredulity as supporters of the Labour leadership have hounded parliamentarians, members and even staff out of the party for challenging anti-Jewish racism. Even as they received threats, the response of the Labour leadership was utterly inadequate. We have endured quibbling and prevarication over whether the party should adopt the most widely accepted definition of antisemitism. Now we await the outcome of a formal investigation by the Equality and Human Rights Commission into whether discrimination by the party against Jews has become an institutional problem. And all of this while in opposition. What should we expect of them in government?

The way in which the leadership has dealt with anti-Jewish racism is incompatible with the British values of which we are so proud — of dignity and respect for all people. It has left many decent Labour members both Jewish and non-Jewish, ashamed of what has transpired.

The claims that the party is “doing everything” it reasonably can to tackle anti-Jewish racism and that it has “investigated every single case”, are a mendacious fiction. According to the Jewish Labour Movement, there are at least 130 outstanding cases before the party, some dating back years, and thousands more have been reported but remain unresolved.

The party leadership have never understood that their failure is not just one of procedure, which can be remedied with additional staff or new processes. It is a failure to see this as a human problem rather than a political one. It is a failure of culture. It is a failure of leadership. A new poison – sanctioned from the top – has taken root in the Labour Party.

Many members of the Jewish community can hardly believe that this is the same party that they called their political home for more than a century. It can no longer claim to be the party of equality and anti-racism.

How far is too far? How complicit in prejudice would a leader of Her Majesty’s opposition have to be to be considered unfit for office? Would associations with those who have incited hatred against Jews be enough? Would describing as “friends” those who endorse the murder of Jews be enough? It seems not.

It is not my place to tell any person how they should vote. I regret being in this situation at all. I simply pose the question: What will the result of this election say about the moral compass of our country? When December 12 arrives, I ask every person to vote with their conscience. Be in no doubt, the very soul of our nation is at stake.

Ephraim Mirvis is Chief Rabbi of the United Hebrew Congregations of the Commonwealth
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Absolutely nothing to do with the Labour Manifesto promise to ban the sales of arms and munitions to Israel ...... nothing to see here ...... move along please

https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/inte...ty-manifesto-vows-to-ban-arms-sales-to-israel
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
Most people would take the concerns seriously enough to warrent consideration.

You're just trying to deflect, once again, another statement of concern by a prominent Jewish community figure, because it's potentially going to make Corbyn look bad or cost them votes at the polls. You don't give a shit about the Jewish community or their concerns, you're only concern is how damaging this article might be to Labour.
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Not prominent .... represents about 1/3 rd of the Jewish Faith here in the UK and not acknowledged by the other two thirds
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
Women's and Widows / Widowers pensions should never have been stolen in the first place ..... and the resulting National Insurance Fund surplus of £24,221,220,000 should not have been used to reduce the National Debt (which the Tories have more than doubled anyway). In any event Labours promise of £100 per week for each week stolen gives payments of between £15380 and £31,300 hardly peanuts but it wasn't just their pensions that were stolen .... it was their plans and dreams for the future as well.
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Did men get a widows pension prior to the new bereavement pension?
 
George Hannah said:
A discussion about Labour party anti-semitism morphing into one about slavery is perhaps not surprising given the Jewish race were one of its principal victims. Yet, inevitably, its prevalence in the rest of the world throughout recorded history is ignored in the enthusiasm for condemnation of our own country's crimes.
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Not ignored by me. I’m well aware of man’s universal and enduring cruelty to each other. I note you didn’t take issue with what I’ve posted per se.
 
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