General Election - December 12th, 2019

Who will you vote for in the 2019 General Election?

  • Conservative

    Votes: 160 30.9%

  • Labour

    Votes: 230 44.4%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 59 11.4%

  • Green Party

    Votes: 13 2.5%

  • Brexit Party

    Votes: 28 5.4%

  • Plaid Cymru/SNP

    Votes: 7 1.4%

  • Other

    Votes: 21 4.1%
  • Total voters
    518
jay_mcfc said:
Gonna have a tener on Labour majority. Over 4 million people registered to vote in the last few weeks. In the last two days alone 660,000 young voters have registered!

Game changer. And that doesn’t include all the students that will vote twice and in whatever constituency they want!
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Lol, anyone who see, or hears any students pulling that stunt could see them prosecuted, but I'm sure there are
some crackpots that'll be doing it.
 
Bigga said:
Funny cos I work in the NHS I already know that it has been mooted whether paying to see the GP is workable. Somewhere between £15-£25 under the guise of penalty for missing an appointment., which will then become the norm if it is 'successful'.

This is how they get you; slowly slowly catchy monkey.

You'd be foolish to ignore years of Tory premise.
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If you book an appointment and then don't turn up without at least notifying them you should be charged imo, it's hard enough getting one anyway with time wasters clogging the system up further.
 
Chippy_boy said:
I did seriously consider putting a couple of grand on a Labour win when it was 20/1. Would numb the pain, just a little bit. Unfortunately I don't have a spare couple of grand.

EDIT: Oh, I see it's now 25/1

Reading the endless tripe on here I had of course assumed the odds were shortening. Silly me. I should perhaps wait until next week when it's 30/1
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25/1 hey? If by some miracle, and you finding a couple of grand, it comes in, pick up your wad asap and
change it immediately into US dollars, with Jezza in, the £50,000 you collect won't buy you a balloon on a stick in a couple of months;)
 
Gaudion M said:
Corbyn will rightly shoulder the blame for making Labour un-electable.
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100% this.

I have to be honest and say that the Labour manifesto is impressive in its ambition, its detail and the amount of work put in. I fundamentally disagree with some of the assumptions, but it is certainly defensible as a document.

The stark and damning problem is that it espouses a set of doctrines and policies which very broadly, the UK public does not want. I've been banging on about this for ages, and I am 100% convinced I am correct. Why? Because the country has been progressively getting richer over the past 50 years, with fewer and fewer people (as a percentage) in low paid, unskilled manual labouring jobs. Jobs where working conditions were terrible, worker-management relations were terrible, exploitation was rife and the unions had a vital role to play. And that is not the UK of today.

The majority of the electorate now have skilled jobs and have upwardly mobile aspirations. They do not identify with donkey-jacket-wearing union leaders and everything that goes with it. That includes widespread nationalised industries. People are not stupid: They remember how shit things were when these organisations were under public ownership. They remember British Leyland. They remember miners's strikes and steelworkers strikes. Sure there may be outliers, and people may have rose-coloured glasses about trains (they'd be wrong to remember them as being anything other than terrible). But people do not see the sense or the value in spending tens of billions on nationalising businesses because of some ideologically-driven bollocks about the state running everything.

They want better public services of course, but they understand that with everything there is a cost. And they are not so stupid to imagine that Labour can splurge money on an unprecedented scale and yet no-one other than a tiny percentage would ever have to pay for it. It is not credible and people rightly do not believe it.

They see Corbyn as a shouty protester who has contributed fuck all over his 40 years in politics, memorable only for the bad things: Hhis association with Hamas and support for the IRA; his refusal to condemn Russian attacks in Salisbury; his very questionable (at best) record on fighting anti-semitism. Outside the bubble of the increasingly desperate hard left and Marxists, he is widely despised.

He is the wrong man, with the wrong policies and until Labour get their heads around BOTH of these facts, Labour will never win a majority in a general election. Labour MPs know this and voted by 80% to get rid of him. The penny still needs to drop with the hard left and the Marxists.
 
mcfc1632 said:
That is where Labour have gotten it so wrong - the LibDems to.

We pro-Leave supporters did not want a referendum - we feel that would likely lead to a Remain vote - not certain - but likely IMO

No - our chance to achieving Brexit lay in a GE and this has come about simply because Labour and the LibDems could not find the way to work together

I have been saying for months that if we end up with a No-Deal Brexit history will show that Corbyn shoulders a lot of the blame.

Swinson must be also regretting her decision as well - a pair of chancers
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So we go ahead with leaving the EU when you think most people would now rather remain. If Labour can get across that voting Tory does not get Brexit done...
 
inbetween said:
No no, I don't think you understand that the content does not matter. It is considered sensitive because it has been marked as sensitive. It is sensitive to foreign nationals because it has been marked as sensitive to release to foreign nationals.

Whoever wrote it decided it was sensitive so it is and that is how classifications work and any release can be deemed as a breach of official secrets.

To say otherwise is irrelevant unless you are advocating that breaking the law is okay depending on your political views on each and every document?

Corbyn shouldn't be releasing and distributing protectively marked documents because it is illegal to do so. Simple.
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It’s a trade document. We knew most of it as the US helpfully published their mandate for the talks. We should do the same. Otherwise people will leak it and make everyone think the Govt is being furtive and dishonest. Rule One of trade talks. Set out your objectives, red lines and areas of concession and above all be transparent.
 
BobKowalski said:
It’s a trade document. We knew most of it as the US helpfully published their mandate for the talks. We should do the same. Otherwise people will leak it and make everyone think the Govt is being furtive and dishonest. Rule One of trade talks. Set out your objectives, red lines and areas of concession and above all be transparent.
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You've never negotiated anything in your life, it seems.

Above all be transparent??? What sort of daft talk is that? Absolutely you should keep your real red lines very very close to your chest indeed, or you can be sure you'll be butted up against them from day 1. The whole purpose of successful negotiation is to end up with a position as far away from your actual red lines as possible.
 
inchy14 said:
If you book an appointment and then don't turn up without at least notifying them you should be charged imo, it's hard enough getting one anyway with time wasters clogging the system up further.
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Our GP has this new system where you have to register online(a few exceptions) then make requests as opposed to phoning them. After registering and telling them what I wanted(max 34 characters can’t make this up) back and forth with dates,explanations, confirmations etc.. as you cant request a date say on a Friday if it’s Monday. (Yes Mrs receptionist some people actually have jobs)I eventually rang them anyhow.

Fucking idiots
 
Vic said:
Says someone in a post about others' echo chamber!
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Get on the phones Vic.

Today its 7000 homes a day will be double glazed and insulated and in the afternoons, 270,000 trees will be planted.

reel em in mate, reel em in.
 
As Hilts above with the addition that when you phone up you get an initial diagnosis by medically unqualified phone jockeys who decide whether the nurse Or a trainee will do Rather than a doctor.
 
Bigga said:
Funny cos I work in the NHS I already know that it has been mooted whether paying to see the GP is workable. Somewhere between £15-£25 under the guise of penalty for missing an appointment., which will then become the norm if it is 'successful'.

This is how they get you; slowly slowly catchy monkey.

You'd be foolish to ignore years of Tory premise.
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people should be fucking fined for missing an appointment .
 
inbetween said:
No no, I don't think you understand that the content does not matter. It is considered sensitive because it has been marked as sensitive. It is sensitive to foreign nationals because it has been marked as sensitive to release to foreign nationals.

Whoever wrote it decided it was sensitive so it is and that is how classifications work and any release can be deemed as a breach of official secrets.

To say otherwise is irrelevant unless you are advocating that breaking the law is okay depending on your political views on each and every document?

Corbyn shouldn't be releasing and distributing protectively marked documents because it is illegal to do so. Simple.
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well I found the document on line and published it on my Facebook page.
 
Chippy_boy said:
You've never negotiated anything in your life, it seems.

Above all be transparent??? What sort of daft talk is that? Absolutely you should keep your real red lines very very close to your chest indeed, or you can be sure you'll be butted up against them from day 1. The whole purpose of successful negotiation is to end up with a position as far away from your actual red lines as possible.
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Hang on hang on you don’t go into a negotiations and tell them what the absolute minimum you’re willing to accept is?
 
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