General Election - December 12th, 2019

Who will you vote for in the 2019 General Election?

  • Conservative

    Votes: 160 30.9%

  • Labour

    Votes: 230 44.4%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 59 11.4%

  • Green Party

    Votes: 13 2.5%

  • Brexit Party

    Votes: 28 5.4%

  • Plaid Cymru/SNP

    Votes: 7 1.4%

  • Other

    Votes: 21 4.1%
  • Total voters
    518
Bigga said:
You don't find both "unfit for office" because it's only been one side you've chuntering on about!

Don't pretend you hold disregard for both sides.

Your posts on this board are clear evidence of your thought patterns.
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I don't need to show my disdain for the Conservatives to those professing to vote Labour, though do I.

I'm being asked by Labour voters why i'm not voting Labour. Tory voters aren't asking me why i'm not voting Conservative are they.

"Your posts on this board are clear evidence of your thought patterns" you say with gusto, but then fail to announce what those thought patterns are.

I am a Labour supporter, the OTHER type of Labour supporter. One of many who feels Labour has moved far too much to the extremist left. As a result I now consider myself a neutral. I'm arguing against Corbyn, McDonnell and his ilk. That should be clear for all to see and if it wasn't then you haven't been listening, but then those of the Cult of Magic Grandpa like yourself have made not listening to others opinions an artform.
 
BobKowalski said:
Your post effectively excused racism to Muslims on the grounds that they are not threatening to leave. One side bangs on about anti semitism as a means to bash the other side and the other side uses Islamaphobia to do the same.

How about a pox on both sides and both sort their shit out? How about we acknowledge on this forum that both sides have culpability and we stop using it as means to score points?
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The finer details very much count though, Bob.

The scale of the problem isn’t as clear in the Tories, but you’re right they do need to sort it out and I’m always prone to believing those that speak out, such as Baroness Warsi.

Labour’s issue is truly an epidemic and the leadership has enabled it.
 
Len Rum said:
He asked you for examples.
You couldn't give them.
Says it all.
I'm sure you'll go away and Google away furiously now.
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Ah yes, I personally have no account of antisemitism in the Labour Party, so I should shut up!

The cultists seem to be following McDonnell's ranty example today.
 
Ban-jani said:
You’re being spoon fed the bullshit Corbyn is telling the public, not me.

One thing I detest about the far left is the insinuation that the only reason antisemitism is a problem is because the media are involved in making it so.

I’ll ask you again, did you watch the panorama documentary, where they spoke to the fucking team in Labour tasked with dealing with antisemitism?

Because if you did, you’d know that the Labour leadership intervened on more than one occasion to let people who have said the most grotesque stuff, off the hook.

Jennie Formby, who the leadership appointed, ended up forcing many of that team to quit and the Team Leader became suicidal because of the moral disgrace that was taking place.



Here’s a history of Jeremy Corbyn’s anti-Jewish behaviour.

You think that just because he apologised once in July 2018, despite refusing to now, all is forgiven? Is it fuck.

I think if this was black people on the end of this discrimination, you’d change your fucking tune very quickly but because it’s Jews, well they should get out of the way of the grand masters plan to push socialism.
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I think you're a bit dim.

I have seen some elements of the documentary. I can't remember the bit that specifically points him out to be anti-Semitic, so you'll have to help me out.

It's a pity that most of you Anti-Corbynistas don't do enough research to understand why a narrative is being pushed so hard!

But, that's why I'm here to help you out:

https://mondediplo.com/2019/06/09corbyn

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-43893791

If you're an honest person, you will give this a read.

It may take maybe an hour to fully digest all the info and pair it up with what you think you know!

But I doubt you will, so I don't know why I'm wasting my time.
 
Len Rum said:
He asked you for examples.
You couldn't give them.
Says it all.
I'm sure you'll go away and Google away furiously now.
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Does it not count if it’s on Google?

Is this some kind of game to you?

I’ll give you an example.

An interviewer in the Labour Complaints department had someone accused of antisemitism sent to him.

The interview was Jewish and before he could even begin the formal of line of questioning that takes place he was asked if he’s an Israeli stooge.

This to a young, Jewish, BRITISH, left wing Labour worker.

It was detailed and he was interviewed on the Panorama documentary for the BBC, that I’m sure you’ve refused to watch.

That’s one of thousands of examples that take place regularly in the party.
 
Bigga said:
I think you're a bit dim.

I have seen some elements of the documentary. I can't remember the bit that specifically points him out to be anti-Semitic, so you'll have to help me out.

It's a pity that most of you Anti-Corbynistas don't do enough research to understand why a narrative is being pushed so hard!

But, that's why I'm here to help you out:

https://mondediplo.com/2019/06/09corbyn

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-43893791

If you're an honest person, you will give this a read.

It may take maybe an hour to fully digest all the info and pair it up with what you think you know!

But I doubt you will, so I don't know why I'm wasting my time.
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Yeah you tell people to shut up, call them idiots, make assumptions about their voting intentions, yet deep down you really care about people voting Labour.

You should get on the campaign trail yourself.
 
Len Rum said:
That lickle old Tory narrative again George.
The thing is some do it more than others. Johnson does it the most so it suits your Tory narrative to say they all do it.
Makes them all look the same.Nice one.
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To say they are all liars is pretty uncontroversial, this debate is about what the stooges are hiding - what lies beneath their public dishonesty. Most Tory voters regard Corbyn's concealed nether regions as a really dangerous place and I'm guessing most Labour voters would agree if they used their critical faculties. Johnson's numerous shortcomings and crude mendacity pale into insignifance beside the hard left's class war plans to use this country as a disposable weapon in a futile attack on global capitalism.
 
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George Hannah said:
To say they are all liars is pretty uncontroversial, this debate is about what the principals are hiding - what lies beneath their public dishonesty. Most Tory voters regard Corbyn's concealed nether regions as a really dangerous place and I'm guessing most Labour voters would agree if they used their critical faculties. Johnson's numerous shortcomings and crude mendacity pale into insignifance beside the hard left's class warrior plans to use this country as a disposable weapon in a futile attack on global capitaism.
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Absolutely spot on.

Boris is like a bullshitty sales rep, a used car salesman or dodgy estate agent. Loose with his language and sometimes his commitments. It's hardly a desirable trait for a PM and yes he may be full of crap sometimes, but at the end of the day, he's just trying to get a job done and is not actually evil.

Corbyn is entirely different gravy. At the core, he's a deeply unpleasant person who hates our country, hates the better off, hates the army, hates businesses and businessmen. He doesn't give a shit if the economy completely tanks and he has to tax and spend and borrow even more to get us out of the crap. He's a horrible, loathesome individual.
 
Ban-jani said:
There are currently 1000’s of complaints that haven’t been seen to yet in the party.

So yes, we’ve got a mountain of it.
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First of all, your response has nothing to do with what I asked.

And second of all, Corbyn has already said he's quadrupled the amount of lawyers towards the cases.

But, these things take time, investigations and outcome decisions.

You want things done yesterday.

Like I said earlier "you're a bit dim"!
 
Scottyboi said:
Why is Labour so entwined with the Palestinian struggle it pisses me off and is a major liability.
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Because it has been the ideological obsession of their leader and his controllers for the last 40 years along with the destruction of the capitalist class - among whom are the Palestinians' principal enemy - the Jews.
 
Bigga said:
First of all, your response has nothing to do with what I asked.

And second of all, Corbyn has already said he's quadrupled the amount of lawyers towards the cases.

But, these things take time, investigations and outcome decisions.

You want things done yesterday.

Like I said earlier "you're a bit dim"!
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I’m not responding to you anymore.

I suggest you try and imagine what it would be like if a major political party was discriminating this way about your ethnicity.
 
Ban-jani said:
The finer details very much count though, Bob.

The scale of the problem isn’t as clear in the Tories, but you’re right they do need to sort it out and I’m always prone to believing those that speak out, such as Baroness Warsi.

Labour’s issue is truly an epidemic and the leadership has enabled it.
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I think listening to the people directly affected is always a good starting point. Both parties should start there and investigate accordingly. Corbyn has shown poor leadership and Johnson likewise with the backtracking on the promised enquiry into Islamaphobia. Neither party is covering themselves in glory and both leaderships deserve a kicking.

Also to be honest I’m not impressed with the ‘my side isn’t quite as racist as your side’ flavour to the debate on here or at least that is how it comes across to me even if that isn’t what is meant.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
I don't need to show my disdain for the Conservatives to those professing to vote Labour, though do I.

I'm being asked by Labour voters why i'm not voting Labour. Tory voters aren't asking me why i'm not voting Conservative are they.

"Your posts on this board are clear evidence of your thought patterns" you say with gusto, but then fail to announce what those thought patterns are.

I am a Labour supporter, the OTHER type of Labour supporter. One of many who feels Labour has moved far too much to the extremist left. As a result I now consider myself a neutral. I'm arguing against Corbyn, McDonnell and his ilk. That should be clear for all to see and if it wasn't then you haven't been listening, but then those of the Cult of Magic Grandpa like yourself have made not listening to others opinions an artform.
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You were asked maybe a couple of times.

Since then, you've OPENLY backed anything anti-Corbyn and I can't remember anything you've said against BloJo.
 
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