General Election - December 12th, 2019

Who will you vote for in the 2019 General Election?

  • Conservative

    Votes: 160 30.9%

  • Labour

    Votes: 230 44.4%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 59 11.4%

  • Green Party

    Votes: 13 2.5%

  • Brexit Party

    Votes: 28 5.4%

  • Plaid Cymru/SNP

    Votes: 7 1.4%

  • Other

    Votes: 21 4.1%
  • Total voters
    518
Bigga said:
This interesting discussion happened that you may be interested in, @karen7.

All your concerns look like playing out according to past US deals with other countries...

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dear oh dear - you are so off topic.............. they need us more than we need them..... we will have all the benefits with none of the costs....the entire Turkish population will go elsewhere and Trump has promised us a deal where we will do lots more trade ( p.s. America First Trump hates our trade surplus with America ) - wonder which way that surplus will go.

I am resigned to leaving I am resigned to Johnson winning only because of the absolute shame he will bring upon himself, his party and yes his family.
 
So Labour's big idea to counter the Brexit vote is to splurge £250bn in the North.
Where on earth are they going to get the money from thought I? And then it clicked. The 100m trees a year they're going to plant are money trees! It all makes sence now.
 
Homar said:
I think most people take antisemitism to simply mean a hatred and prejudice towards Jews. The IHRA’s working definition (and some of their examples, in particular) fundamentally differ from that and is therefore extremely contentious amongst academics (including Jewish academics).

With regards to Hezbollah and Hamas, these groups exist principally because of Israel’s actions (past and present). Israel helped create Hamas and supported it as a counterweight to the PLO. Hezbollah is both political party and armed militia. It was founded to liberate parts of Lebanon that were occupied by Israel.

Under the common definition of terrorism, I accept that Hamas has almost certainly intentionally targeted civilians. The case against Hezbollah is much less clear. I remind you that the British government only designated Hezbollah a terrorist group this year, after considerable pressure and lobbying by Israel and the United States. Under the common definition, the United States and United Kingdom have themselves committed acts of terrorism, including two acts of nuclear terrorism for the former.

The British government has chosen to label both Hamas and Hezbollah as terrorist groups whilst maintaining close ties with Israel, which is responsible for such horrendous and numerous violations of human rights. Israel has killed orders of magnitude more civilians than both those groups combined. It is frankly reprehensible that the British government should hold such a cordial relationship with Israel given its own history and the actions of successive Israeli governments.
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Excellent post
The middle East was a long time in the making and as you say Britain played its part. No-one comes out of it particularly well.
The Palestinians however have been the big losers in the 70 year old game, not having the geo political relevance of other Arab states. That many support their cause does not equate to antisemitism.
 
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gordondaviesmoustache said:
Think this terror attack will help Johnson. It certainly won’t help Corbyn.
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That depends, doesn't it?

I mean, the cnut was arrested for PREVIOUS terror offences in 2012 (I think under a Cons gov?) and, coincidently, when they thought it wise to switch to 'internet policing' and sacked off 20,000 coppers.

The resources under this gov to properly track these idiots have been cut.

This arse had an ankle bracelet on when he committed offences.

You'd think a terrorist just released, last year, would be monitored.

But, hey, that's just me...
 
Bigga said:
That depends, doesn't it?

I mean, the cnut was arrested for PREVIOUS terror offences in 2012 (I think under a Cons gov?) and, coincidently, when they thought it wise to switch to 'internet policing' and sacked off 20,000 coppers.

The resources under this gov to properly track these idiots have been cut.

This arse had an ankle bracelet on when he committed offences.

You'd think a terrorist just released, last year, would be monitored.

But, hey, that's just me...
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All of that is correct, but doesn’t undermine my point. Corbyn will not deal with this well imo.
 
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Bigga said:
That depends, doesn't it?

I mean, the cnut was arrested for PREVIOUS terror offences in 2012 (I think under a Cons gov?) and, coincidently, when they thought it wise to switch to 'internet policing' and sacked off 20,000 coppers.

The resources under this gov to properly track these idiots have been cut.

This arse had an ankle bracelet on when he committed offences.

You'd think a terrorist just released, last year, would be monitored.

But, hey, that's just me...
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Agree with all of that, the media have done a number on Corbyn though to be a terrorist sympathiser so even though the Tories have run the police into the ground it will be Corbyn that comes out of this looking worse which is a joke if I'm honest.
 
Scottyboi said:
Agree with all of that, the media have done a number on Corbyn though to be a terrorist sympathiser so even though the Tories have run the police into the ground it will be Corbyn that comes out of this looking worse which is a joke if I'm honest.
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The press he’s received has been a disgrace tbf.
 
Scottyboi said:
Takes some strong spirit to dust yourself off and keep campaigning, I like the man personally but politics is ruthless.
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I suspect I diverge from you on your analysis of Corbyn. Whilst I don’t hugely dislike him, he isn’t up to the task, irrespective of the press he receives.

It’s an absolute outrage that Johnson is going to get a majority. A different leader of the Labour Party would have prevented that outcome.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
I suspect I diverge from you on your analysis of Corbyn. Whilst I don’t hugely dislike him, he isn’t up to the task, irrespective of the press he receives.

It’s an absolute outrage that Johnson is going to get a majority. A different leader of the Labour Party would have prevented that outcome.
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Agreed, he should have stepped down after 2017 personally as he is too easy to spin, but the members wanted to keep him and now they will reap what they sowed.

I just think Britain isn't ready to shift that far to the left and I doubt it ever will.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
All of that is correct, but doesn’t undermine my point. Corbyn will not deal with this well imo.
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The tories will push their campaign on national security now. When Corbyn is asked how to deal with it. Condemning it then saying all sides need to sit down and have a cup of mint tea together won't cut it in the current toxic era.

Yesterdays events may have given the floppy **** the majority he craves.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
I feel he’s weak on matters of national security. This is partly because of his past sympathies and also because his statements around the subject are typically nebulous and ineffectual.

You think he’s strong on matters of national security?
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I never understand this theory of being weak, when it comes to Corbyn!!

If a bully who is bigger and stronger than the victim, who also has other bully friends, kicks the shit of said victim and that victim decides to fight back, why is the victim in the wrong? All Corbyn is trying to do is mediate between the two find common ground and yet friends of the bully call him a 'victim sympathiser'!!

Corbyn might speak softly, but beware he who may carry a big stick behind it.

I think he would try and find a solution for the benefit of the nation's safety, but keep intact a Human Right no matter how vile the perpetrator.

He would have no choice but to do so and, unfortunately, it's the thing that will get him attacked.
 
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