But some - such as @The perfect fumble are still clinging on to their dream (aka nightmare for the majority of us)The current situation and likely result come Thursday was foretold by many on here for the last few years.
Confidently they told us it wouldn't happen and they called us names.
Now its looking a certainty and that they are wrong, they call us names.
Could and should have been all so different but no....they know better except it appears they actually dont..........
I consider myself a socialist because I believe in the proper financing of public services. I also believe in nationalisation of power and transport.No they are not far-left, they are liberal/libertarian.
Do you identify as being far-left? If not then why are you upset about me citing that the rise of the far-right has been down to the far-left attacking moderates and liberals for "not being left wing enough"?
We're talking about people who say that a person saying it is a woman's right to choose, and then that woman choosing to oppose abortions for example, is then being attacked for being a fascist by the far-left. The far-left doesn't care about you opinion, only that you share theirs. They are intolerant of others opinions especially if it opposes their own world views.
They approve of a woman's right to choose, but if she chooses "wrong"...
I meant an entire nation under socialism.. The NHS is worthy of acclaim but @Labour continually lauding its creation at their hand is akin to the dippers celebrating past league wins in black and white or on 4:3 TV
Zionists...You've haven't got the faintest idea have you.
For the longest time Zionists were very comfortable in the Labour Party because of two things.
1. In the past the Labour Party paid only lip service to Palestinian self determination.
2. Israel used to elect sensible governments, now it votes for right wing zealots like Netanyahu.
Result? Spits and spats, and knownothings like you ape the Daily Mail and shit themselves shouting anti-Semitism.
You've haven't got the faintest idea have you.
For the longest time Zionists were very comfortable in the Labour Party because of two things.
1. In the past the Labour Party paid only lip service to Palestinian self determination.
2. Israel used to elect sensible governments, now it votes for right wing zealots like Netanyahu.
Result? Spits and spats, and knownothings like you ape the Daily Mail and shit themselves shouting anti-Semitism.
I really don't know what you're arguing about here.I consider myself a socialist because I believe in the proper financing of public services. I also believe in nationalisation of power and transport.
In short I am a socialist because of my economic views. But obviously I am not going to believe in socialism and advocate the restoration of the death penalty. Yes socialists tend to have more progressive social views, although not all of them. I believe Evo Morales is quite homophobic.
I do not agree with aggressive targeting of people who disagree. I have religious folk in my family who think abortion is a sin, as is being gay. I listen to their ill informed opinions, in my view,discuss why I disagree and move on.
You are similar to a lot of us thenI'm massively in favour of a more moderate Labour party, but enabling said image of Johnson is far too high a price to pay for me.
Boris still has opponents in his own party don't forget.I see what you're saying, but I just think the parliamentary maths will prevent any of the more extreme policies going through, similar to the way parliament sought to block no-deal.
Ah Comrade Bob showing his true colours.
What utter horse shit Bob. For a start, "shareholder value" - i.e. a commercial imperative to increase growth and profits is the engine which has enabled capitalism to be successful the world over in contrast to socialism which has failed to improve wealth and living standards the world over. Capitalism may not be perfect and may not work ideally in every circumstance, but generally it works and generally, the alternatives do not.
Moreover, who do you think the shareholders are? Some band of nomads roving around stealing the poor downtrodden workers' money? No, they are the big financial institutions, investing peoples' savings and their pensions.
This is yet another example of Labour portraying its true colours. A motivation primarily to see the better off do worse. Not to see the worse off do better.
I meant an entire nation under socialism.. The NHS is worthy of acclaim but @Labour continually lauding its creation at their hand is akin to the dippers celebrating past league wins in black and white or on 4:3 TV
Zionists...
And so the agenda reveals itself.
All Jewish complaints have all been made by "Zionist" Jews, have they?
You think Corbyn is far left don't you? And I'm supporting him.I really don't know what you're arguing about here.
You're not far-left, you don't agree with their policies, so what exactly do you have against me stating that the rise of the right/far-right/ has been a backlash to the antics of the far-left?
Fucking Zionists?
More than 9 - they would become so entrenched that the traditional Labour Party would cease to be and the LibDems will become the home for many votersIf you're supporting Corbyn, you're admitting to wanting 9 more years of Momentum, because there's no way they'd step down at the next general election if they won this one. It wouldn't be 9 more years of Boris, though; a moderate Labour would defeat a Boris Government. A bolstered Momentum win would require a drastic shift from the Conservatives to the centre. What's more likely to happen in the result of a Boris win/Corbyn win?
Momentum and it's "movement" needs expelling now; when 50% of a community expresses their fears to leave should Corbyn/Momentum get into power, I have to take that on board. That means a Conservative majority, we rebuild, then we stand a better chance the kind of country we all want to see, not the one Momentum thinks we should want.
The rise of the far right has been as a result of the far left shitting all over the current moderate capitalist model (which many people approve of), and the rise has been a backlash to it by those wishing to exploit people's anger.
When you've got the opinion that someone who approves of capitalism, doesn't like socialism and holds a different opinion to you means they are racist/stupid/fascist etc, THAT is why we are where we are now.
This is the criteria for being a “Democratic Socialist”:http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/democratic-socialist-countries/
Funnily enough the UK is listed as qualifying as a Democratic Socialist Country
The problem is that, in many countries, Jewish leaders serve both as defenders of local Jewish interests and defenders of the Israeli government.
Of course it would be a disaster. Anyone who has every run their own business knows it would be(and I was an IT contractor for 10 years before IR35 killed it as an option).
Incidently extending IR35 to other trades in April, really isn't a good idea. I raised this as a question at the local hustings and the Chancellor Sajid Javid (my MP) said the next budget with raise IR35 allowances to prevent damage. I hope so or it could be as bad as the Poll Tax to the future hopes of the Tory party.
Zionists...
And so the agenda reveals itself.
All Jewish complaints have all been made by "Zionist" Jews, have they?
I think that is called 'outing yourself' by fumbleFucking Zionists?
This is the criteria for being a “Democratic Socialist”:
What is a Democratic Socialist?
A democratic socialist is someone who believes that the government should provide a range of basic services to the public for free or at a significant discount, such as health care and education. Unlike socialists, democratic socialists do not believe the government should control all aspects of the aspects, only help provide basic needs and help all of its citizens have an equal chance of success.