Var debate 2019/20

@Johnred92 - what is your excuse for the disgusting behaviour of TAA and the snidey smirking twat Robertson when deliberately pushing an opponent over the hoardings , safe in the knowledge that they would escape without the punishment they thoroughly deserved.

Your fans have a disgusting history of behavious , and your team are behaving in a manner which your feral shithouses will thoroughly approve of .

Self titled European Royalty merely indicates the level of arrogance which runs through your whole rotten club.

Were your fans signing that as they wre throwing bricks at the City coach ? Fucking scum for supporters .
 
Johnred92 said:
Mate, decisions go against all teams. There’s no conspiracy set up to stop City.

Last season, Liverpool could point to a red card not given to Kompany in the biggest game of the season amongst other decisions...

I think they get it wrong a lot, and sometimes some sides go through tougher spells with decisions, but to suggest they’re acting differently to stop City winning the league is mad.
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Well thank you for clearing that up for us........
 
Colin Bells Boots said:
As a dipper whose team get so many dubious decisions go in your favour, I think you are a royally on here simply to take the piss .

A red card for Kompany not given , against numerous dives from Salah for imaginary trips makes your argument typical dipper bollocks . And due to the fact that I cannot recall the exact number of favourable decisions for Mane, You have some fucking nerve coming on here with your ridiculous bullshit claim about 1 incident which went for City.

As you twats and the rags do not have VAR at your ground , Micheal Oliver was able to give 2 incorrect decisions which favoured you with total impunity , safe in the knowledge that nobody was operating the corrupy VAR system . So the non-handball and thus non-penalty decision against TAA which lead to goal no1 , followed by an offside " goal " by Salah _ again not checked due to no VAR operating , and our fate firmly stitched up .

So forgive me if I dismiss your post as utter bollocks , made safe in the knowledge that the PL and PiGMOL clan, have contrived to help your club to achieve what it has been incapable of doing for itself for getting on for 30 years.

Just like Micheal Oliver , PiGMOL and the PL and FA , you are a fucking fraud , and a time waster, so please do the decent thing for once , and fuck off .
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Colin Bells Boots said:
As a dipper whose team get so many dubious decisions go in your favour, I think you are a royally on here simply to take the piss .

A red card for Kompany not given , against numerous dives from Salah for imaginary trips makes your argument typical dipper bollocks . And due to the fact that I cannot recall the exact number of favourable decisions for Mane, You have some fucking nerve coming on here with your ridiculous bullshit claim about 1 incident which went for City.

As you twats and the rags do not have VAR at your ground , Micheal Oliver was able to give 2 incorrect decisions which favoured you with total impunity , safe in the knowledge that nobody was operating the corrupy VAR system . So the non-handball and thus non-penalty decision against TAA which lead to goal no1 , followed by an offside " goal " by Salah _ again not checked due to no VAR operating , and our fate firmly stitched up .

So forgive me if I dismiss your post as utter bollocks , made safe in the knowledge that the PL and PiGMOL clan, have contrived to help your club to achieve what it has been incapable of doing for itself for getting on for 30 years.

Just like Micheal Oliver , PiGMOL and the PL and FA , you are a fucking fraud , and a time waster, so please do the decent thing for once , and fuck off .
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Now that my fellow blue is a response......
 
Johnred92 said:
Mate, decisions go against all teams. There’s no conspiracy set up to stop City.

Last season, Liverpool could point to a red card not given to Kompany in the biggest game of the season amongst other decisions...

I think they get it wrong a lot, and sometimes some sides go through tougher spells with decisions, but to suggest they’re acting differently to stop City winning the league is mad.
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Liverpool certainly could point to a non red card given to Kompany but they'd be wrong to do so as it was never a red card. Every single other team in the league could point to at least a dive, a non penalty, a sly kick, holding by red shirted players when defending or attacking corners and just generally being kicked off the ball with impunity every single time they had to go up against Liverpool last year. This is why the press actually started to discuss Salah's serial diving once we had reached the mid point of the season, every single team in the league had been on the end of it and fans were rightly calling out the press for glossing over it.
This behaviour has carried on into this season sadly and thanks to the helping hand of VAR Liverpool aren't just getting away with cheating every single game but are actively being awarded for it.
Do you think it shows good sportsmanship and fair play when Mane dived to steal 2 points against Leicester? Or dived against Villa (it may not have been Villa, all his dives kind of merge into one there's so many of them) to earn the points there? Does your heart swell with the joy of the beautiful game when you see Van Dyke hacking down players in the box unpunished? Do you feel pride in your club and city when you see your players elbowing and stamping on opposition players then laughing in their faces because they know they're impervious to punishment? Do you thank Saint Jurgen for being such a wonderful tactician when you see how well he's drilled your fullbacks in the art of handling the ball in the box in a way that only one other team gets away with? Are you in awe at how quickly VAR can judge offsides when it comes to your fantastic threesome but then wonder how it takes them a good 3 or 4 minutes to determine every other borderline offside for everyone else? Will you celebrate a league title you haven't earned but was given to you purely to help market the Premier League TV rights abroad? Will your achievements feel hollow knowing that your team is being allowed to play to different rules to their opposition week in week out?
 
Johnred92 said:
Mate, decisions go against all teams. There’s no conspiracy set up to stop City.

Last season, Liverpool could point to a red card not given to Kompany in the biggest game of the season amongst other decisions...

I think they get it wrong a lot, and sometimes some sides go through tougher spells with decisions, but to suggest they’re acting differently to stop City winning the league is mad.
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1 decision,anymore?
 
Colin Bells Boots said:
As a dipper whose team get so many dubious decisions go in your favour, I think you are a royally on here simply to take the piss .

A red card for Kompany not given , against numerous dives from Salah for imaginary trips makes your argument typical dipper bollocks . And due to the fact that I cannot recall the exact number of favourable decisions for Mane, You have some fucking nerve coming on here with your ridiculous bullshit claim about 1 incident which went for City.

As you twats and the rags do not have VAR at your ground , Micheal Oliver was able to give 2 incorrect decisions which favoured you with total impunity , safe in the knowledge that nobody was operating the corrupy VAR system . So the non-handball and thus non-penalty decision against TAA which lead to goal no1 , followed by an offside " goal " by Salah _ again not checked due to no VAR operating , and our fate firmly stitched up .

So forgive me if I dismiss your post as utter bollocks , made safe in the knowledge that the PL and PiGMOL clan, have contrived to help your club to achieve what it has been incapable of doing for itself for getting on for 30 years.

Just like Micheal Oliver , PiGMOL and the PL and FA , you are a fucking fraud , and a time waster, so please do the decent thing for once , and fuck off .
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Bravo,wish i could post that
 
Colin Bells Boots said:
As a dipper whose team get so many dubious decisions go in your favour, I think you are a royally on here simply to take the piss .

A red card for Kompany not given , against numerous dives from Salah for imaginary trips makes your argument typical dipper bollocks . And due to the fact that I cannot recall the exact number of favourable decisions for Mane, You have some fucking nerve coming on here with your ridiculous bullshit claim about 1 incident which went for City.

As you twats and the rags do not have VAR at your ground , Micheal Oliver was able to give 2 incorrect decisions which favoured you with total impunity , safe in the knowledge that nobody was operating the corrupy VAR system . So the non-handball and thus non-penalty decision against TAA which lead to goal no1 , followed by an offside " goal " by Salah _ again not checked due to no VAR operating , and our fate firmly stitched up .

So forgive me if I dismiss your post as utter bollocks , made safe in the knowledge that the PL and PiGMOL clan, have contrived to help your club to achieve what it has been incapable of doing for itself for getting on for 30 years.

Just like Micheal Oliver , PiGMOL and the PL and FA , you are a fucking fraud , and a time waster, so please do the decent thing for once , and fuck off .
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So, I'm no word-smith like yourself.............are you indicating that you are not in full agreement with the poster? ;-)
 
Johnred92 said:
Mate, decisions go against all teams. There’s no conspiracy set up to stop City.

Last season, Liverpool could point to a red card not given to Kompany in the biggest game of the season amongst other decisions...

I think they get it wrong a lot, and sometimes some sides go through tougher spells with decisions, but to suggest they’re acting differently to stop City winning the league is mad.
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that wasn't even a foul, Salah just dived as per usual.
 
Johnred92 said:
Mate, decisions go against all teams. There’s no conspiracy set up to stop City.

Last season, Liverpool could point to a red card not given to Kompany in the biggest game of the season amongst other decisions...

I think they get it wrong a lot, and sometimes some sides go through tougher spells with decisions, but to suggest they’re acting differently to stop City winning the league is mad.
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With the greatest respect (sic), you’re talking bollocks
 
At the start of the season I naively thought VAR would be of benefit to the PL. Injustices and errors would be corrected, cheating stopped and punished etc. When our late winner against Spurs was disallowed, I thought it was because of an incorrect understanding and interpretation of the law as written, and this was pointed out to IFAB.

The Technical Director of IFAB, David Elleray, didn't deny that disallowing Jesus' goal was not permitted under The Laws of the Game. Instead, he said that when they asked them, managers and players did not feel that a goal should be scored if the ball had touched an attacker's hand. In other words, the concept of 'what football wants' has now been introduced.

Instead of 'what football wants', read 'what Scudamore wants', 'what the PL wants', 'what PGMOL wants', 'what the sponsors want', 'what the bookies want', or any other outside agent. Suddenly the whole competition becomes corruptible.

PGMOL are so arrogant that they have seen fit to ignore their governing body, and apply their own take on a number of football laws and clarifications. Their versions contravene The Laws. For example, they have so far refused to use the pitch side monitors, despite them being there at every game and their correct usage being described in The Laws. Why don't they use the monitors? Because it would slow the game down.

A couple of things occur to me. Firstly, name me one company or industry that carries out market research by interviewing its own managers and employees, whilst at the same time ignoring its paying customers. Only football does this, and it is scandalous.

The second is that IFAB are condoning this very loose interpretation of their laws. Imagine contesting a speeding ticket for driving at 35mph. The council admits that yes, the road sign did say 40mph, but it should have said 30. The 40mph sign was put up by mistake. Therefore the fine still stands, because the council meant it to say 30mph. This is exactly what the PL and PGMOL are doing. IFAB's poorly worded law should not give carte blanche to PGMOL to apply its own version of the law, using the excuse that it is 'what football wants'.

'Football' should carry out a survey amongst its fans to find it what they actually want. I can guarantee, it isn't remotely like what they are currently serving us with.
 
"Elleray, didn't deny that disallowing Jesus' goal was not permitted under The Laws of the Game."

Did he actually answer, or did he not answer?
I had the impression he just explained the thinking without specifically referring to what the laws allowed.
 
MillionMilesAway said:
"Elleray, didn't deny that disallowing Jesus' goal was not permitted under The Laws of the Game."

Did he actually answer, or did he not answer?
I had the impression he just explained the thinking without specifically referring to what the laws allowed.
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He said he couldn't comment on specific incidents. Here are some direct quotes:

Me, 27 August 2019

I would like clarification of the new handball rule in the light of the disputed Wolves and Manchester City goals in recent games in the English Premier League.

The goals were both disallowed by VAR, following review, based on this part of Law 12:

"Handling the ball

It is an offence if a player:

gains possession/control of the ball after it has touched their hand/arm and then:

- scores in the opponents’ goal
- creates a goal-scoring opportunity"

In both the above cases, the player whose arm the ball touched (Boly and Laporte) did not gain possession of the ball, or gain control of the ball. Therefore, as this pre-condition was not met in either case, the two conditions that led to an offence being committed cannot have resulted.

On this basis, my belief is that the two match referees have interpreted the law incorrectly. The two VARs have interpreted the law incorrectly, and their boss, Neil Swarbrick who issued a statement explaining the reasons for the disallowed goals has also interpreted the law incorrectly. There is every possibility that Mike Riley, the head of referees in England has not understood the law correctly, and that every referee they have trained has an incorrect understanding of the new law.

Do you agree that the law, as laid down by IFAB, is being interpreted incorrectly, or is there another explanation?
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David Elleray, 6 October 2019

We are sorry you did not get our original reply which stated that it is the policy of The IFAB not to comment in specific decisions or matches.

Best wishes

David Elleray
Technical Director of The IFAB
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Me, 6 October 2019

Thanks David

OK, so disregarding the actual incidents, I still feel the law is being interpreted incorrectly. Do you agree with my interpretation of the law, or is it possible to give handball after the ball touches the arm or hand of a teammate, but that teammate does not gain possession or control of the ball?
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David Elleray, 11 October 2019

Many apologies for the slow reply - VAR is taking a great deal of time as you might imagine.

The view of the technical experts is that the situation you describe falls within the 'spirit/intention' of the Law and thus should be penalsied - the purpose of the change was that coaches/players etc... were very clear that they did not believe a goal should result from the ball having made contact (even accidental) with the hand/arm of an opponent as a goal should only 'result' from use of the rest of the body.

Best wishes

David

David Elleray
Technical Director of The IFAB
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This 'spirit/intention' of the Law is where the problem lies. It becomes someone's subjective opinion, instead of an absolute. This subjectivity can be applied differently to each team, depending on some background hidden agenda.
 
Thanks for the detailed reply. I just thought that the "didn't deny" phrasing could lead to inference that he was avoiding this particular one, rather than the quote above that he wasn't commenting on individual events.

I agree that the consistency is a problem, and with VAR, it is very difficult to offer a valid explanation why it would be for handball which isn't subjective - was it Newcastle who had a goal given after the ball clearly hit an arm?

Wolves had a goal disallowed early on where it hit someone's arm and fell to a teammate, and I do think it is obvious that the law is intended to cover this type of thing.
 
1001 pages on VAR in 8 months... tells me that it's been a complete success..!

It's achieved everything it was implemented to do, fuck us over big style whilst giving the biggest leg up to the Dippers and Rags as they are not good enough to play with the rules and win stuff on merit..!

VAR has f'kin ruined the game of football ..!

****'s!
 
Michael j said:
VAR rules must be changed. The games should be controlled by the referee. VAR is picking and choosing where it wants to inflict itself and that's taking away from the game. Maybe the managers can be given "challenge flags" like they use in American Football. When a manager wants to challenge the referee, he can throw the flag. VAR interrupting every single goal is not good for the game. Give the game back to the referees.
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I'm intrigued as to which coin they use for the VAR toss up. We have a double headed coined especially reserved for our games, and Oliver is already screaming tails!
 
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