Jo Swinson

hgblue said:
No sympathy for her whatsoever. The idea that you could revoke article 50 and carry on like nothing happened was always going to be divisive and indefensible. The fact they thought this would work to their advantage so were willing to go for it shows them to be totally out of touch with the people they represent. They deserve what they are about to get. The only way forward is to leave, hopefully with a decent FTA which protects the economy, then those who wish to Remain argue to rejoin. The referendum result will have been respected and implemented and we can begin to focus on domestic issues, hopefully leading to a healing of the divisions over time. Anything else leads to more division, more anger, and a prolonging of the misery.
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Perfectly explained - spot on

It also is the right thing to do becuase it reflects democracy
 
BlueAnorak said:
Great post.
The only way Remainers can respect the "Leave" vote is to leave with an FTA that allows us to easily rejoin in future. But no the Westminster bubble decided that wasn't the way to go. Clueless and Cretinous all at the same time.
20% of the Tory vote from the Guake/ Grieve /Hammond anti-democratic Remain tendancy was attracted to vote Lib Dem but June is now on the verge of totally messing that up too by advocating voting Labour to Remain.
Any one who thinks that Tory Remain vote will stay with them if they are supporting Labour is in dreamland. "Vote Lib Dem and Get Labour" will rapidly take hold in their mindset if there is any chance of a Labour win close to polling day and they will return to vote for the Tory party.
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For the vast majority of Tory voters the prospect of a Corby/McDonnell government is dramatically worst than Brexit

Should be the same for the vast majority of the electorate but it seems many are swayed by the bollocks Labour are spouting
 
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I cannot remember a worse 6 weeks in political history. She has absolutely fucked it and got every single thing wrong.

Labour got twatted, so I'm not gonna blame a lack of a pact between the two parties as the cause but what happened in Kensington was unforgivable.
 
jay_mcfc said:
I cannot remember a worse 6 weeks in political history. She has absolutely fucked it and got every single thing wrong.

Labour got twatted, so I'm not gonna blame a lack of a pact between the two parties as the cause but what happened in Kensington was unforgivable.
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Touch Love Worldwide, Christian Peoples Alliance and the Revolutionary Workers Party seem to have garnered enough votes between them to have prevented the Tory being elected! Aren't elections a funny old thing? Bit like footy matches - yer end up losing when yer think it's a formality!
 
She royally got it wrong and she paid the price.
The LD have a massive issue they have to pick a new leader from a pool of just eleven political mice.
Her and Corbyn pushed for those Election and by God has it bit them and their parties in the arse.
 
jay_mcfc said:
I cannot remember a worse 6 weeks in political history. She has absolutely fucked it and got every single thing wrong.

Labour got twatted, so I'm not gonna blame a lack of a pact between the two parties as the cause but what happened in Kensington was unforgivable.
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They got the highest actual vote increase of the night, so they didn't get every single thing wrong. Lack of a pact was part of the cause, but then there were plenty of lib dem voters that wouldn't vote for Corbyn as much as they wouldn't vote for Johnson.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Feel a bit sorry for her, but she royally fucked up and must take responsibility for this egregious miscalculation. She's certainly paying the price in a humiliating way.
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She is. Leaving aside brexit, I thought their manifesto was great, her leadership less so. I do feel a bit sorry for any party that increases their vote and comes away with fewer mps, that's our electoral system for you though.

The Lib Dems need to focus on although they've only got 11 seats, there's 3.3m that those are now representing. That's a very good base to build on and a lot of people they need to stand for, they need to get their next leadership move right. Ed Davey in as interim leader whilst they sort it out is what I would do.
 
She has a bad case of verbal diarrhoea, waffling on that she was right and every body else will regret the way they voted.

She and her Party got It badly wrong standing on a remain platform and also arrogantly suggesting she would be the next PM, she can now ride off over the horizon taking her book of “quotes” with her.
 
TheRemainsOfTheDave said:
All this talk about Labour, but this party is in no better shape. Another leader needed, who's next?
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I do wonder what the country would look like if Clegg hadn't traded tuition fees for an AV vote.

They had 60 seats, 25% of the popular vote, and everything that's happened under the conservatives since and the division of the Labour party could have lead to them becoming a serious 3rd party if they'd positioned themselves as a credible remain option, or a home for labour voters who coudn't vote for Corbyn.

Now they've got 7% of the vote and a dozen seats, less relevant than the fucking SNP & Sinn Fein.
 
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