With the guy at City I understand why people have formed an opinion, myself included (probably guilty, but couldn’t be sure, fwiw)This is why we have innocent until proven guilty.
24 hour rolling.news and social media has people hung, drawn and quartered within 10 minutes of an incident these days.
Would this be the same Spurs that have allowed regular chanting of "Yid Army" for almost 40 years?Spurs are struggling to find the offenders , Merseyside Police have offered asssitance with their expert CCTV team ready to help.
With the guy at City I understand why people have formed an opinion, myself included (probably guilty, but couldn’t be sure, fwiw)
In terms of this incident, I fail to see how anyone can have formed any worthwhile view at this stage, given all the prevailing circumstances.
Would this be the same Spurs that have allowed regular chanting of "Yid Army" for almost 40 years?
Indeed, before Sunday, I've never heard announcements against racist behaviour blaring out mid-game over the PA system anywhere else.
This isn't Spurs being great about anti-racism, it's that so many players complained to the referee that he felt he had to follow UEFA's anti-racism protocol which mandates announcements over the PA. The referee went to the 4th official and told him to make the announcement. Spurs had noting to do with it.
The fact that yours is the first stadium to need the crowd being told to not be racist isn't something to be proud of.
Nice victim blaming going on in here.
Who is the victim?
Rudiger, certainly of Son which you turned onto him and used to justify abusing him which you're so absolutely certain couldn't be racist.
It's like sitting through your VAR decisions against us, the facts say one thing and we just get a load of bollocks to justify protecting you lot.
Given your posts on here, I'm inclined to believe Rudiger entirely.
You make some reasonable points, but Son's red card was just about the most blatant red card you will ever see. To call Rudiger cowardly is out of order. Son kicked out at him and it's the third time in a year he's been sent off. He's certainly not the saint he's been portrayed to be.There's a good reason for that. Specifically, that there was no racism directed at Rudiger. I am 99.9% certain of it. I should know.......because I am one of the fans, I believe, who is responsible for Rudiger's accusation. I was at the very front of the south stand, adjacent to where the Son sending off took place. There can't have been a fan in the stadium who was closer than me to where it all unfolded.
By way of background, for what it's worth, I have no real argument with Son's sending off. He did make a slight, if aborted, move of his feet towards Rudiger as he tumbled. Silly, spur of the moment action that, in today's game, will always result in a red card if spotted. Nevertheless, that can't excuse Rudiger's reaction. Mourinho said it best when he sarcastically wished the Chelsea defender a speedy recovery from the multiple broken ribs that he must have suffered. There is nothing more cowardly within football than feigning injury in order to get an opposition player sent off.
So, as English football fans are wont to do in such circumstances, we all chanted "cheat, cheat, cheat, cheat..." at Rudiger. It was at that specific moment that he turned and gestured angrily at us. And immediately went to his captain / the referee to complain about having been the target of monkey noises. So I am convinced that this entire controversy is based on a misunderstanding on Rudiger's part. When English is not your first language and when you are unfamiliar with English fan culture, 5000 or so English fans chanting "cheat, cheat, cheat...." unsynchronised could, I suspect, sound very much like monkey noises. The timing of Rudiger's angry reaction towards the fans and immediately subsequent discussions with the referee confirms that suspicion. The only alternative is that Rudiger is claiming that he heard a lone voice making monkey noises. And if that is the case, then I say that Rudiger is a liar. Not the remotest chance that he could have isolated that above the din of 5000 fans shouting "cheat".
Spurs, and specifically Spurs fans, are owed an apology.
You're merely exhibiting your own prejudice against Spurs and Spurs fans.
I was there. I am telling the truth. I have no need to lie. If a Spurs fan or a number of Spurs fans were indeed guilty of racist abuse, I would have a far greater desire to have them exposed and punished and banned than you do. As much as I love my club and will defend it when it is wronged, I would never allow it precedence over the fight against racism.
I repeat, I saw the exact moment that Rudiger reacted to something that he heard from the crowd around me and subsequently report it. And I know exactly what was being chanted at the time - "cheat, cheat, cheat". And I know that he couldn't possibly have identified a lone voice making monkey noises above the din of thousands of fans chanting "cheat". I could not have been closer. Spurs and the police have subsequently conducted a thorough study, using lip readers amongst others, of CCTV coverage of the actions and language of every fan in the area of the south stand from which Rudiger thought he heard monkey chants. And they have found NOTHING to support the accusation. The only explanation that fits the facts and makes any sense is that Rudiger mistook the chants of "cheat" for monkey noises.
For you to insist that you know better than me or than the police and lip readers who have minutely studied the CCTV evidence is shameful. You are allowing your own prejudice to cheapen a serious issue. Have a moment to reflect if that is really how you wish to be seen - as someone who is so petty minded and bitter about another club and its fans that you would happily see truth fly out the window and do the genuine fight against racism a great disservice.
Those two statements say everything. You couldnt possibly know what Rudiger could hear down on the pitch! Your justification sounds like the stuff coming from the Italian league when they make excuses for this shit.You're merely exhibiting your own prejudice against Spurs and Spurs fans.
I was there. I am telling the truth. I have no need to lie. If a Spurs fan or a number of Spurs fans were indeed guilty of racist abuse, I would have a far greater desire to have them exposed and punished and banned than you do. As much as I love my club and will defend it when it is wronged, I would never allow it precedence over the fight against racism.
I repeat, I saw the exact moment that Rudiger reacted to something that he heard from the crowd around me and subsequently report it. And I know exactly what was being chanted at the time - "cheat, cheat, cheat". And I know that he couldn't possibly have identified a lone voice making monkey noises above the din of thousands of fans chanting "cheat". I could not have been closer. Spurs and the police have subsequently conducted a thorough study, using lip readers amongst others, of CCTV coverage of the actions and language of every fan in the area of the south stand from which Rudiger thought he heard monkey chants. And they have found NOTHING to support the accusation. The only explanation that fits the facts and makes any sense is that Rudiger mistook the chants of "cheat" for monkey noises.
For you to insist that you know better than me or than the police and lip readers who have minutely studied the CCTV evidence is shameful. You are allowing your own prejudice to cheapen a serious issue. Have a moment to reflect if that is really how you wish to be seen - as someone who is so petty minded and bitter about another club and its fans that you would happily see truth fly out the window and do the genuine fight against racism a great disservice.
There's a good reason for that. Specifically, that there was no racism directed at Rudiger. I am 99.9% certain of it. I should know.......because I am one of the fans, I believe, who is responsible for Rudiger's accusation. I was at the very front of the south stand, adjacent to where the Son sending off took place. There can't have been a fan in the stadium who was closer than me to where it all unfolded.
By way of background, for what it's worth, I have no real argument with Son's sending off. He did make a slight, if aborted, move of his feet towards Rudiger as he tumbled. Silly, spur of the moment action that, in today's game, will always result in a red card if spotted. Nevertheless, that can't excuse Rudiger's reaction. Mourinho said it best when he sarcastically wished the Chelsea defender a speedy recovery from the multiple broken ribs that he must have suffered. There is nothing more cowardly within football than feigning injury in order to get an opposition player sent off.
So, as English football fans are wont to do in such circumstances, we all chanted "cheat, cheat, cheat, cheat..." at Rudiger. It was at that specific moment that he turned and gestured angrily at us. And immediately went to his captain / the referee to complain about having been the target of monkey noises. So I am convinced that this entire controversy is based on a misunderstanding on Rudiger's part. When English is not your first language and when you are unfamiliar with English fan culture, 5000 or so English fans chanting "cheat, cheat, cheat...." unsynchronised could, I suspect, sound very much like monkey noises. The timing of Rudiger's angry reaction towards the fans and immediately subsequent discussions with the referee confirms that suspicion. The only alternative is that Rudiger is claiming that he heard a lone voice making monkey noises. And if that is the case, then I say that Rudiger is a liar. Not the remotest chance that he could have isolated that above the din of 5000 fans shouting "cheat".
Spurs, and specifically Spurs fans, are owed an apology.
Those two statements say everything. You couldnt possibly know what Rudiger could hear down on the pitch! Your justification sounds like the stuff coming from the Italian league when they make excuses for this shit.
When you say fight against racism is more important than defending your club it's bollocks isnt it.
self pitying shite.
Son is a thug with a track record of nasty cheating kicking as is Kane but he gets away with it.
You blamed Rudiger for Son and used it to abuse him, don't come back at me when you want to make shit up. You lost all credibility in part 1, so I'm not accepting part 2 because you've proven you can't be trusted.
I didn't blame Rudiger for Son's sending off at all. I said that Son was stupid and deserved to get sent off.
That doesn't change the fact that Rudiger feigned injury in order to ensure that Son got sent off. Worst kind of cheating there is, trying to get another player sent off.