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Vic said:
I'd revise that only to say that I don't think she thought the reasons for leaving were thin; that's my gloss.

I just remain amazed that this has generated so much angst from people who didn't (or won't) listen to it.
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The only reason that you are amazed is that you are misunderstanding what is attracting the comments

It is not her video/comments that are the catalyst

It is your blatant seeking to again find some new vehicle to get back to the tired old mantra that Leavers are thick
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
I don't know, if it means they keep shooting themselves in the foot by being patronising and alienating (over) half the population I'm fine with it. The daft buggers could easily have derailed brexit if they'd have been less blinkered - long may it continue.
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My simply pointing out that the opposition parties had that option in the Autumn caused much angst and denial
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
The daft buggers could easily have derailed brexit if they'd have been less blinkered - long may it continue.
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They had the government defeated and revoke within reach or at the very least a second ref yet they couldn't see the wood for the trees and got greedy.

The bumbling fool played them all.
 
Vic said:
I'd revise that only to say that I don't think she thought the reasons for leaving were thin; that's my gloss.

I just remain amazed that this has generated so much angst from people who didn't (or won't) listen to it.
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I keep getting echoes of Corbyn's insistence - ".....we won the argument...."
 
blueinsa said:
They had the government defeated and revoke within reach or at the very least a second ref yet they couldn't see the wood for the trees and got greedy.

The bumbling fool played them all.
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What is all that stuff I hear on the news about Stormont - that is not some other outcome that the bumbling fool as lucked onto is it?
 
blueinsa said:
They had the government defeated and revoke within reach or at the very least a second ref yet they couldn't see the wood for the trees and got greedy.

The bumbling fool played them all.
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Disagree. The problem was Swinson and Corbyn refused to work together on the defining issue of the times because they disagree on a whole host of issues other than the defining issue of the times.

And now they’re both out of a job. Had they acted in the nation’s best interests (as they saw it) there would have been nothing BJ could have don’t about it.
 
Chris in London said:
Disagree. The problem was Swinson and Corbyn refused to work together on the defining issue of the times because they disagree on a whole host of issues other than the defining issue of the times.

And now they’re both out of a job. Had they acted in the nation’s best interests (as they saw it) there would have been nothing BJ could have don’t about it.
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Thats what i have said mate.

They had it within reach and he goaded them into the election and they fell for it because ultimately politicians just cant resist that shot at power.
 
blueinsa said:
Thats what i have said mate.

They had it within reach and he goaded them into the election and they fell for it because ultimately politicians just cant resist that shot at power.
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Sorry, what I’m disagreeing with is the idea that they got played by Johnson. There was absolutely nothing he could have done had Corbyn and Swinson acted together. He held on for grim life until they fucked it up.
 
Chris in London said:
Sorry, what I’m disagreeing with is the idea that they got played by Johnson. There was absolutely nothing he could have done had Corbyn and Swinson acted together. He held on for grim life until they fucked it up.
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He played them with the election. They just couldn't resist but should have done and had they done so they would have eventually binned brexit off imo.

We are actually agreeing here but in different ways.
 
blueinsa said:
I've no issue whatsoever with the FTA being debated and critiqued as and when details of it emerge.

Post after post retweeting bilge telling me how thick i was 3 years on isn't debate or disagreement, its fucking annoying, counter productive and getting people nowhere.
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Racism stole the ref. Post after post saying otherwise just adds to the rest of the lies. :)
 
blueinsa said:
He played them with the election. They just couldn't resist but should have done and had they done so they would have eventually binned brexit off imo.

We are actually agreeing here but in different ways.
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I agree we are agreeing, there is a minor difference in emphasis in relation to Johnson’s role. As I see it, he was dead in the water - unable to call an election and without a majority. He lost 8 votes out of 8 and could do nothing about it. I don’t see any strategic cunning behind him goading them into an election, I see it as the only option he had. Where he lucked out was with an opposition that cared more about what benefited their parties than what benefited the country.
 
Chris in London said:
I agree we are agreeing, there is a minor difference in emphasis in relation to Johnson’s role. As I see it, he was dead in the water - unable to call an election and without a majority. He lost 8 votes out of 8 and could do nothing about it. I don’t see any strategic cunning behind him goading them into an election, I see it as the only option he had. Where he lucked out was with an opposition that cared more about what benefited their parties than what benefited the country.
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We agree........largely ;-)
 
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