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bluethrunthru said:
a fucking bellend Brexit Party MEP worried no-one from the UK will have control over our waters post Jan 31st. WTF did she think was going to happen? Especially when we have sold the monitoring of ur waters to a French company.
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Thought you were advocating that the MEPs stay on - otherwise your post did not seem to make sense.

They are being stood down because the UK is leaving the EU - it is happening and people need to get on-board with that fact
 
mcfc1632 said:
Thought you were advocating that the MEPs stay on - otherwise your post did not seem to make sense.

They are being stood down because the UK is leaving the EU - it is happening and people need to get on-board with that fact
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Yes and that daft mare is worried that when they leave we will have no say on EU fisheries policy.........................the BP really briefed its candidates eh?
 
mcfc1632 said:
The level of hypocrisy is high

So I have posters trying to demean me - other posters cheering them on - but when I give some back it is me you have a pop at

Please do not expect me to care one jot about what you think in this regard until I seen any effort from you show some balance - which of course will not happen

Interesting - that in the middle of last year you were conspicuously silent when the Remainers were setting daily PBs in smugness
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No, I was being smug too...

Anyway I take it back, you’re not a dipper
 
bluethrunthru said:
a fucking bellend Brexit Party MEP worried no-one from the UK will have control over our waters post Jan 31st. WTF did she think was going to happen? Especially when we have sold the monitoring of ur waters to a French company.
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I honestly don't know why you are hanging on the every word of the brexit party. They are done, the argument they were set up to advance is won. Even Farage realises they are irrelevant.
 
west didsblue said:
I don't think your first sentence is correct. Germany is the largest economy in the EU by some margin but it still only has 20% of the EU's GDP, rising to 24% when we leave. Our exports to the rest of the EEA are 5 times what we export to Germany even though Germany is our 2nd largest export market after the US. The EEA as a whole is our largest trading partner by far covering around 50% of our trade. Watering down trading arrangements with them is only going to be negative.
We are already in a great position regarding trade with the US. Our trade surplus is around £45 billion and the aim of any trade deal from a US point of view will be to redress this balance. It might help our exporters somewhat but we would have to open our markets to much more US imports which will largely be to the expense of domestic production, particularly in agriculture and pharma.
As for EEA trade being flat, I don't think that's strictly true either. It's cyclical and the current trend is fairly flat from a percentage of global trade point of view which means it's growing at roughly the same pace as the average of everywhere else.
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I don't think anyone will water down trading arrangements because who stands to benefit from that approach? If the EU is willing to force a watered down deal because of politics then how will that benefit EU citizens?

The UK represents 19 smaller EU countries leaving the EU so it is already an almost catastrophic loss for them in terms of its size. A punative trade deal would make it even worse.

If you wanted to sell cars, planes or anything else, would you choose Europe as your target market or the US or China? I know the EU is large but that isn't important because we don't sell to the EU, we sell to countries in the EU. The only way to grow is to target growth in those countries but European growth is flat, absent or shrinking in some places.

I read an amazing statistic the other day, Audi sells more cars to China then it does to the entirety of Europe and it has been growing at blistering pace. Growth in EU car sales meanwhile is actually falling! In some EU countries those sales are so small that they barely register on the map.

So if you were a car maker in this case, would you want a trade deal with the EU or would you want a trade deal with China? But, just imagine if there was an option for both.... Isn't that the entire goal of Brexit?

We just need to remember that we are leaving the EU, not Europe.
 
inbetween said:
I don't think anyone will water down trading arrangements because who stands to benefit from that approach? If the EU is willing to force a watered down deal because of politics then how will that benefit EU citizens?

The UK represents 19 smaller EU countries leaving the EU so it is already an almost catastrophic loss for them in terms of its size. A punative trade deal would make it even worse.

If you wanted to sell cars, planes or anything else, would you choose Europe as your target market or the US or China? I know the EU is large but that isn't important because we don't sell to the EU, we sell to countries in the EU. The only way to grow is to target growth in those countries but European growth is flat, absent or shrinking in some places.

I read an amazing statistic the other day, Audi sells more cars to China then it does to the entirety of Europe and it has been growing at blistering pace. Growth in EU car sales meanwhile is actually falling! In some EU countries those sales are so small that they barely register on the map.

So if you were a car maker in this case, would you want a trade deal with the EU or would you want a trade deal with China? But, just imagine if there was an option for both.... Isn't that the entire goal of Brexit?

We just need to remember that we are leaving the EU, not Europe.
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Well said, but this sort of balanced view does not feed the agenda if the post brexit apocalypse.
 
mcfc1632 said:
Indeed - demonstrating that he and other Remainers had been unable to comprehend simple explanations and providing me with the opportunity to post another lesson - good work and many thanks I say
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I'm still waiting for you to tell me how to 'get behind' brexit.
I'm raring to go, got my george cross flag in one hand and my pound for Big Ben in the other
 
inbetween said:
I don't think anyone will water down trading arrangements because who stands to benefit from that approach? If the EU is willing to force a watered down deal because of politics then how will that benefit EU citizens?

The UK represents 19 smaller EU countries leaving the EU so it is already an almost catastrophic loss for them in terms of its size. A punative trade deal would make it even worse.

If you wanted to sell cars, planes or anything else, would you choose Europe as your target market or the US or China? I know the EU is large but that isn't important because we don't sell to the EU, we sell to countries in the EU. The only way to grow is to target growth in those countries but European growth is flat, absent or shrinking in some places.

I read an amazing statistic the other day, Audi sells more cars to China then it does to the entirety of Europe and it has been growing at blistering pace. Growth in EU car sales meanwhile is actually falling! In some EU countries those sales are so small that they barely register on the map.

So if you were a car maker in this case, would you want a trade deal with the EU or would you want a trade deal with China? But, just imagine if there was an option for both.... Isn't that the entire goal of Brexit?

We just need to remember that we are leaving the EU, not Europe.
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Well said, the EU market is essentially, a few countries, umpteen thousands of British produced cars, to use your example,
are not being exported to Estonia or Slovenia.
 
inbetween said:
I don't think anyone will water down trading arrangements because who stands to benefit from that approach? If the EU is willing to force a watered down deal because of politics then how will that benefit EU citizens?

The UK represents 19 smaller EU countries leaving the EU so it is already an almost catastrophic loss for them in terms of its size. A punative trade deal would make it even worse.

If you wanted to sell cars, planes or anything else, would you choose Europe as your target market or the US or China? I know the EU is large but that isn't important because we don't sell to the EU, we sell to countries in the EU. The only way to grow is to target growth in those countries but European growth is flat, absent or shrinking in some places.

I read an amazing statistic the other day, Audi sells more cars to China then it does to the entirety of Europe and it has been growing at blistering pace. Growth in EU car sales meanwhile is actually falling! In some EU countries those sales are so small that they barely register on the map.

So if you were a car maker in this case, would you want a trade deal with the EU or would you want a trade deal with China? But, just imagine if there was an option for both.... Isn't that the entire goal of Brexit?

We just need to remember that we are leaving the EU, not Europe.
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I am genuinely confused by this post for a couple of reasons.

1. The German car industry was largely touted as being the insurance policy against our being left out in the cold by the EU - phrases like 'there is no way the German car industry would not want to trade with the UK' etc. but the China statistic suggests this will not be the case.

2. We don't really make cars we just assemble them for European manufacturers and everybody accepts that any border checks hampers this process, or rather our involvement in it. So how is the China stat good for our niche-to-non-existent car makers?

I appreciate that there are markets beyond Europe that we will potentially be able to now become more involved in but your example doesn't suggest that to me, what have I missed?
 
inbetween said:
I don't think anyone will water down trading arrangements because who stands to benefit from that approach? If the EU is willing to force a watered down deal because of politics then how will that benefit EU citizens?

The UK represents 19 smaller EU countries leaving the EU so it is already an almost catastrophic loss for them in terms of its size. A punative trade deal would make it even worse.

If you wanted to sell cars, planes or anything else, would you choose Europe as your target market or the US or China? I know the EU is large but that isn't important because we don't sell to the EU, we sell to countries in the EU. The only way to grow is to target growth in those countries but European growth is flat, absent or shrinking in some places.

I read an amazing statistic the other day, Audi sells more cars to China then it does to the entirety of Europe and it has been growing at blistering pace. Growth in EU car sales meanwhile is actually falling! In some EU countries those sales are so small that they barely register on the map.

So if you were a car maker in this case, would you want a trade deal with the EU or would you want a trade deal with China? But, just imagine if there was an option for both.... Isn't that the entire goal of Brexit?

We just need to remember that we are leaving the EU, not Europe.
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Cannot highlight or stress the intentions in bold enough.
 
blueinsa said:
Not long to go now chaps....not long.

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You're gonna be disappointed when you find out we're still basically in the EU on February 1st
 
aguerrrroooooooooooo said:
You're gonna be disappointed when you find out we're still basically in the EU on February 1st
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not as disappointed as you when you open your curtains and see it’s Not all fucked .

or when you find the article today in the news that says the IMF are now predicting that the U.K. post Brexit will grow faster than the eurozone

experts eh.....
 
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