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blueinsa said:
I think it is clear we are moving to an Australia style points based system and i am all in favour of it.
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I think it will be expensive, time consuming and ultimately won't work, in my opinion. It will be off-putting to business and talent, particularly at a time of uncertainty

Any 'points' required would be easily achieved if it is ever implemented. I've been too concerned with immigration policy so may be wrong with this but if it was that desirable then why did we not trial it with no-EU immigration prior to leaving to see if it works?

Is 'point based system' the new 'build the wall' i.e sounds good and convincing to some people but ultimately a load of hot air that is not worth the money, time and hassle? Time will tell I suppose
 
mcfc1632 said:
We are really leaving the EU - it definitely happening

The sooner that you get your head round this and stop hankering to wake up and find that it was all just a dream the sooner you might be able to start the journey to a less better place
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west didsblue said:
There you go. Courtesy of google.
https://metro.co.uk/2019/09/23/companies-collapsed-moved-abroad-since-brexit-10795029/
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...b-cuts-eu-no-deal-customs-union-a8792296.html
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/staggering-scale-zero-hour-contracts-20764867
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Dyson? When did they move to the EU? Thos Cook collapsed because of Brexit? why havent Easyjet, Jet2, Ryanair,
and all other UK travel companies, and there are dozens, gone? Cooks collapse was rock all to do with it,
here's why,from that Brexit champion, the Guardian..
https://www.theguardian.com/busines...un-ceased-to-shine-on-venerable-tour-operator
Honda said their closure was not Brexit related,
https://metro.co.uk/2019/02/19/honda-closing-swindon-plant-town-vote-referendum-8667426/
The second list is could be's and possibles.
The Mirror article, for some reason, is not showing, but the employment rate would be at a record high, even
if every worker on Zero hours was excluded from data. https://fullfact.org/economy/employment-since-2010-zhcs/
https://www.cipd.co.uk/Community/blogs/b/policy_at_work/posts/new-statistics-on-zero-hours-contracts

Employment is at a record high, whichever way you look at it.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
Dyson? When did they move to the EU? Thos Cook collapsed because of Brexit? why havent Easyjet, Jet2, Ryanair,
and all other UK travel companies, and there are dozens, gone? Cooks collapse was rock all to do with it,
here's why,from that Brexit champion, the Guardian..
https://www.theguardian.com/busines...un-ceased-to-shine-on-venerable-tour-operator
Honda said their closure was not Brexit related,
https://metro.co.uk/2019/02/19/honda-closing-swindon-plant-town-vote-referendum-8667426/
The second list is could be's and possibles.
The Mirror article, for some reason, is not showing, but the employment rate would be at a record high, even
if every worker on Zero hours was excluded from data. https://fullfact.org/economy/employment-since-2010-zhcs/
https://www.cipd.co.uk/Community/blogs/b/policy_at_work/posts/new-statistics-on-zero-hours-contracts

Employment is at a record high, whichever way you look at it.
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Employment stats are at a record high, actual employment however is not (government figures are based on those 'jobseeking' allowing them to ignore millions of people who are unemployed but supposedly not actively looking for work). Also, the number of people in employment but not earning enough to survive on is also in the millions. Although this all said, if you do believe Boris Johnson's gov's figures, there's a Nigerian prince I know who might be able to do you a favour?
 
bluejon said:
Employment stats are at a record high, actual employment however is not (government figures are based on those 'jobseeking' allowing them to ignore millions of people who are unemployed but supposedly not actively looking for work). Also, the number of people in employment but not earning enough to survive on is also in the millions. Although this all said, if you do believe Boris Johnson's gov's figures, there's a Nigerian prince I know who might be able to do you a favour?
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No mate, I don't get my source from Boris, try the ONS, I'm not arsing about putting more facts up.
If you know who they are you'll know they are not an arm of government, have a peep and come back.
Why, oh why, are people saying black and white is pink and green?
 
Ancient Citizen said:
No mate, I don't get my source from Boris, try the ONS, I'm not arsing about putting more facts up.
If you know who they are you'll know they are not an arm of government, have a peep and come back.
Why, oh why, are people saying black and white is pink and green?
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they have to as none of their predictions came true
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
they have to as none of their predictions came true
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Yes, it's as plain as day, yet we're supposed to believe some Twilight Zone interpretation from the Office for National
Statistics, and dozens of others, as all a load of cobblers. There are not now, unlike under Labour, legions of unemployed,
and this encouraging situation must not be believed, because of some weird refusal to see it, and frantic, ludicrous
attempts to portray it as fiction.
 
blueinsa said:
The criteria should be do we have skills gaps and if the answer is yes, then we allow immigration to take place with those best suited given the spots.
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But...

... who will serve us coffee and sandwiches in Pret?
 
Blue Hefner said:
Or who will work in hospitals, care homes, building sites, farms, hospitality, catering etc.
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Those with the relevant skills and who want to, regardless of where they are in the world.

Nothing has changed other than we are stopping the open door to anyone from within the EU.
 
bluejon said:
Employment stats are at a record high, actual employment however is not (government figures are based on those 'jobseeking' allowing them to ignore millions of people who are unemployed but supposedly not actively looking for work). Also, the number of people in employment but not earning enough to survive on is also in the millions. Although this all said, if you do believe Boris Johnson's gov's figures, there's a Nigerian prince I know who might be able to do you a favour?
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What point would there be in measuring the amount of people who aren't looking for work?

Would you ever need to class a retired billionaire as unemployed?
 
blueinsa said:
Those with the relevant skills and who want to, regardless of where they are in the world.

Nothing has changed other than we are stopping the open door to anyone from within the EU.
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Nothing has changed other than making care homes, farms and small businesses jump through largely unnecessary hoops at great expense - people think care homes are expensive now, we are volunteering to put the prices up. Quite remarkable
 
Blue Hefner said:
Nothing has changed other than making care homes, farms and small businesses jump through largely unnecessary hoops at great expense - people think care homes are expensive now, we are volunteering to put the prices up. Quite remarkable
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How do you make that stretch?

What hoops are they suddenly jumping through?
 
and people think they are going to give us a great trade deal ffs - its America First




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So I see UK-US talks are going well. So much for using them as leverage against EU The United States would consider "arbitrary" taxes on British car firms if the UK government imposed a digital tax on big U.S. technology firms, Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said.
 
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The only EU country where employment in automotive production has significantly declined 2017-9 is the UK. So if the EU-Japan EPA (eventually) reducing tariffs on cars + car parts to 0 is to blame for Japanese car companies leaving the EU, why is only the UK seeing the impact?




 
blueinsa said:
How do you make that stretch?

What hoops are they suddenly jumping through?
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Presumably the organisation will have to find out how many points (say) a nursing assistant needs. Then ask the applicants may have to prove they meet the points criteria(yet to be decided) i.e provide documentation, go for exams etc. Then the employer will have to show proof of role. Presumably then the organisation would be required to send that to the government, wait for approval, then wait for visa/work permit to be issues* - that will take a while, longer than it does now - this may not be worthwhile to home, business or building site. Ultimately they might pull the whole thing. If you need 20 people, only 10 are from the UK and you have to apply for 20 visas they might just forget the whole project

As far as the employee goes, they might not bother. Why when they can go somewhere else without such administration before they have even left their front door

One of the sells to Leave was lest red tape and bureaucracy
 
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