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Mëtal Bikër said:
I'm not arguing your placement, i'm asking why do you (still) care.

Why does it bother you that much?
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Of course I still care. I believe that Brexit is a travesty.

Rees-Mogg was one of the leading bullshitters who is now seeking to erase much of what he said.

I think pointing out a liar and charlatan is worth a few seconds of my time.

Much like some other posters on here you seem to want to control what people post. Give it up, there is likely to be plenty posted in the coming months that, given your stated position, you are unlikely to like.

Here endeth this exchange.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
Yeah but to who are you pointing it out to?

Likeminded people like yourself who still feel they're "fighting" to stay in the EU? There has to be some purpose in bringing it to people's attention beyond saying "what a hypocrite!".

The European Parliament is voting on the British WAB today, with a likely ceremony for the departing UK MEP's. I would have thought the attention would be more on that.
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It's a Brexit discussion forum. People are discussing the main politicians who have been involved in the campaign. The only person who's latched on to the Rees Mogg comment is yourself, which sort of disproves your contention that it's a comment just for likeminded people.

As for the EuroParl vote, I expect it's a formality but if something unexpected happens I'm sure it will get discussed.
 
dave_blue12 said:
Of course I still care. I believe that Brexit is a travesty.

Rees-Mogg was one of the leading bullshitters who is now seeking to erase much of what he said.

I think pointing out a liar and charlatan is worth a few seconds of my time.

Much like some other posters on here you seem to want to control what people post. Give it up, there is likely to be plenty posted in the coming months that, given your stated position, you are unlikely to like.

Here endeth this exchange.
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Ahh I see.

It's okay for others to challenge my posts, but I am prohibted from challenging yours.

What was that comment about "controlling people's posts"? ;)

 
west didsblue said:
It's a Brexit discussion forum. People are discussing the main politicians who have been involved in the campaign. The only person who's latched on to the Rees Mogg comment is yourself, which sort of disproves your contention that it's a comment just for likeminded people.

As for the EuroParl vote, I expect it's a formality but if something unexpected happens I'm sure it will get discussed.
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I latched on to a couple, that was in the same vein of "I don't want brexit to happen wahh".

Just pointing it out, get over brexit guys, it can't be healthy having this much bile in your system.
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
The ex employees of Thomas Cook are holding on line 1
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I know bugger all about FlyBe. But I do know a fair bit about Thomas Cook, since they were a customer of mine in a previous life. They were then and have long been a complete basket case not worthy of saving, sadly. I sold them £100k of software - very, very small beer in enterprise software terms - and no-one, literally no-one would provide them with finance for it. Their credit rating - and this was back in 2012 - was "junk".
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
Again, you've not read the article...

They're "concerned" that the EU will continue to get access to UK fishing waters as part of the trade deal. There is nothing else that indicates they regret their decision or have any other love of remaining in the EU.

However, for a UK fishing industry hoping Brexit will herald a new golden age, there are fears the government will "sell them down the river" in the coming trade negotiations.

"Hopefully it's a big change for the industry; a lot of fishermen are hoping it's going to be a big change," he said.

"We've been sold down the river 40 years ago by [Edward] Heath so we just want a bit of what is ours back."

Reading the sensationalist headline, not the article itself, just another day in the life of IfIonlyhada...
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You've obviously not seen the papers recently then

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ints-fishing-rights-table-EU-trade-talks.html


Not that Im bothered ... fishing is a very small part of our trade
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
That sound you can hear is the sad sound of people slowly realising they've been conned.
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Ifwecouldjust....... said:
Not that Im bothered ... fishing is a very small part of our trade
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Ifwecouldjust....... said:
Not that Im bothered
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Ifwecouldjust....... said:
Not that Im bothered
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Ifwecouldjust....... said:
We cant because the government didn't maintain the mines after they were closed....... which is why we are currently importing coal from Australia. (can you imagine the Carbon footprint of that ?)
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I've no idea what your point is. We didn't maintain the mines because we shouldn't have been maintaining them. And importing coal? No idea on carbon footprint. Bulk shipping is incredibly cheap, which means it must use very very little fuel per ton shipped, or it wouldn't be cheap.
 
mcfc1632 said:
Utter bollocks

I addressed the detail and content relevant to my post that you replied to

What you seemingly always wish to do is reply to someone's post - not address the content and distract onto some spurious bollocks that you feel is more comfortable for you

That will be because - as I am sure that an increasing number of posters realised - in your bitterness you have become (IMO) thoroughly and increasingly disingenuous - the rest of your post confirms this

I still make the effort to reply to your distractions - but mainly to prevent others being distracted and misled by your determination to avoid the thread discussing Brexit related issues

Here is another example:

"If you think you know they've unduly loaded their risks, you must know what the Brexit risks are that they've unduly loaded. Tell us, O wise one."

I could suggest a number of things and the reality is that the Japanese government have introduced and across the board risk factor - e.g. 25% - rather than a specific appraisal of the risks associated to this initiative.

But I do not need to invent and speculate stuff which is may be slightly inaccurate or as you do - be utter distracting bollocks - the facts are utterly simple and undeniable.

There are/were 4 stakeholders involver at the short-listing stage:

Bidder 1
Bidder 2
Bidder 3 (Hitachi)
The procuring authority

All 4 will have undertaken throughout the procurement thorough appraisals of risk which will have been updated through their governance arrangements and informed by developing situations. These appraisals of risk will have informed the development of their models - up to the submission and evaluation of final tenders.

They will have been supported in this work by highly qualified professional advisors

As Hitachi was unsuccessful due to the level in which it priced in the risk - either through Japanese government directive or local bid team assessment - they have clearly inflated the risks higher than the other 3 stakeholders. As their intention was to win the bid then it is pretty clear that their assessment was unduly inflated.

For that not to be the case you are suggesting that the other 2 bidders have deliberately priced the bid in a manner which would mean that they will make a loss or that the procuring authority has deliberately planned to enter into a contract that they will no will fail and suffer all the resulting criticism and impact to service.

If you think that - then you know even less on these subjects than you have demonstrated so far.

Crack on and embarrass your self further - but can I point out that my offer to debate with you was predicate on:

".....and if you can demonstrate that you have appropriate experience I would be happy to debate them further with you."

That is not going well and I have better things to do with my time
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Well it was in there somewhere...

"If you think you know they've unduly loaded their risks, you must know what the Brexit risks are that they've unduly loaded. Tell us, O wise one."

"I could suggest a number of things and the reality is that the Japanese government have introduced and across the board risk factor - e.g. 25% - rather than a specific appraisal of the risks associated to this initiative."

So essentially you're guessing too but are supposing the Japanese have told firms to use a fixed figure that you're also guessing at. Nothing to do with the specific issues that Japanese businesses have raised:


[Requests directed at the UK and the EU]
・ maintenance of the current tariff rates and customs clearance procedures;
・ introduction of provisions for cumulative rules of origin;
・ maintenance of the access to workers who are nationals of the UK or the EU;
・ maintenance of the freedom of establishment and the provision of financial services, including the “single passport” system;
・ maintenance of the freedom of cross-border investment and the provision of services as well as the free movement of capital, including that between associated companies;
・ maintenance of the current level of information protection and the free transfer of data;
・ unified protection of intellectual property rights;
・ maintenance of harmonisation of the regulations and standards between the UK and the EU (including the maintenance of established frameworks of mutual recognition and equivalence);
・ securing the UK’s function as a clearing centre for the euro and the location within the UK of EU agencies such as the European Medicines Agency (EMA); and
・ maintenance of the UK’s access to the EU budget for research and development and participation in the Japan-EU joint research project.

[Additional requests directed at the UK]
・ liberalisation of trade in goods without the burdens of customs duties and procedures;
・ maintenance of access to workers with the necessary skills;
・ maintenance of basic policies regarding the entry of foreign capital;
・ implementation of measures to promote investment;
・ maintenance of the current levels of information protection and the free transfer of data in case the UK establishes its own legislation distinct from the EU’s;
・ ensuring the consistency of regulations and standards between the UK and the EU; and
・ ensuring that the EU’s research and development budget applies to research institutions in the UK.

[Additional request directed at the EU]
・ provision of transitional arrangements for the single passporting system
 
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west didsblue said:
Perfect example of the pot calling the kettle black.

If I want to reference or respond to your posts I will. Your pathetic attempts to paint me as a stalker for responding to posts on a public forum is clear to anyone who reads your shit that you don't like being called out on your bollocks and you're trying to silence me.

I rarely read or respond to your waffle these days because it mostly consists of the same old regurgitated shit repeated ad nauseam, but occasionally when you post something particularly stupid or hypocritical I may comment on it, and when you make these ridiculous suggestions about me being obsessed with you I will set the record straight.

There is only one obsessed person on here and it isn't me. I will respond to any poster I want to and you should be pleased to know that you are way down the list of people I want to engage in discussion with.
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You are indeed stalking me - again

And lying - you cannot stop yourself poring over every word I post - looking for and hoping to find something to jump on - generally without understanding things so you just embarrass yourself

You are indeed obsessed - I have successfully and easily totally ignored your every recent word and post and have only come back twice - each time only after you have 'lapsed' and demonstrated that you are not able to do without me - both times just again snidey and bitchy little posts from you.

It is OK - I know that you cannot resist me - I know that you cannot go through your life without me - it must be quite pitiful to hate someone yet crave and be desperate for their attention -just as I know that you will have to come back again with YET ANOTHER final word.

But please - after you have your latest final word - please try again to forget me for a while.

Please try for a new PB and last more than a few days. I and I am sure the rest of the thread, enjoy those periods of peace where you stop with the endless snide comments - or, rather you latch onto someone else.
 
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mcfc1632 said:
You are indeed stalking me - again

And lying - you cannot stop yourself pouring over every word I post - looking for and hoping to find something to jump on - generally without understanding things so you just embarrass yourself

You are indeed obsessed - I have successfully and easily totally ignored your every recent word and post and only come back twice - each time only after you have 'lapsed' and demonstrated that you are not able to do without me - both times just again snidey and bitchy little posts from you.

It is OK - I know that you cannot resist me - I know that you cannot go through your life without me - it must be quite pitiful to hate someone yet crave and be desperate for their attention -just as I know that you will have to come back again with YET ANOTHER final word.

But please - after you have your latest final word - please try again to forget me for a while.

Please try for a new PB and last more than a few days. I and I am sure the rest of the thread, enjoy those periods of peace where you stop with the endless snide comments - or, rather you latch onto someone else.
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Q.E.D.

I'll post when I want.
Now fuck off.
 
Vic said:
Well it was in there somewhere...

"If you think you know they've unduly loaded their risks, you must know what the Brexit risks are that they've unduly loaded. Tell us, O wise one."

"I could suggest a number of things and the reality is that the Japanese government have introduced and across the board risk factor - e.g. 25% - rather than a specific appraisal of the risks associated to this initiative."

So essentially you're guessing too but are supposing the Japanese have told firms to use a fixed figure that you're also guessing at. Nothing to do with the specific issues that Japanese businesses have raised:


[Requests directed at the UK and the EU]
・ maintenance of the current tariff rates and customs clearance procedures;
・ introduction of provisions for cumulative rules of origin;
・ maintenance of the access to workers who are nationals of the UK or the EU;
・ maintenance of the freedom of establishment and the provision of financial services, including the “single passport” system;
・ maintenance of the freedom of cross-border investment and the provision of services as well as the free movement of capital, including that between associated companies;
・ maintenance of the current level of information protection and the free transfer of data;
・ unified protection of intellectual property rights;
・ maintenance of harmonisation of the regulations and standards between the UK and the EU (including the maintenance of established frameworks of mutual recognition and equivalence);
・ securing the UK’s function as a clearing centre for the euro and the location within the UK of EU agencies such as the European Medicines Agency (EMA); and
・ maintenance of the UK’s access to the EU budget for research and development and participation in the Japan-EU joint research project.

[Additional requests directed at the UK]
・ liberalisation of trade in goods without the burdens of customs duties and procedures; ・ maintenance of access to workers with the necessary skills;
・ maintenance of basic policies regarding the entry of foreign capital;
・ implementation of measures to promote investment;
・ maintenance of the current levels of information protection and the free transfer of data in case the UK establishes its own legislation distinct from the EU’s;
・ ensuring the consistency of regulations and standards between the UK and the EU; and
・ ensuring that the EU’s research and development budget applies to research institutions in the UK.

[Additional request directed at the EU]
・ provision of transitional arrangements for the single passporting system
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Apols - only read the first bit

I am dealing with the subject/content of the matter at hand - the failure of Hitachi in this procurement process

I am dealing purely and clearly with facts and not being distracted by your - well desperation to distract - so I didn't read the rest
 
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mcfc1632 said:
Apols - only read the first bit

I am dealing with the subject/content of the matter at hand - the failure of Hitachi in this bid

I am dealing purely and clearly with facts and not being distracted by your - well desperation to distract

Roll on the start of the negotiations and some proper debate
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You are not dealing with anything, just a waste of bandwidth spouting mail claptrap x
 
Vic said:
If it weren't for people fired up with anger and frustration we'd never have left.

So I see what you mean.

But (Shriver again) being right is some small compensation for having lost and if it spoils the party for the winners it may serve some purpose. You don't have to be here.
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True, but the partying sounds good, you can arrange your own, ''The Footstampers Ball.''
 
For anyone still upset, at £27 quid a pop, these beach towels are still available...

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Being EU towels, you pay £27, but they give you back £15 to spend on ice creams ;)
 
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