It’s fairly obvious just look at those that have represented English nationalism going back to the 70s when the English flag and nationalism was misappropriated by the NF, BNP, football hooligans. More recently EDF,. There is a place for English nationalism and IMO an English parliament in Federal UK., but it needs to taken back from the extremists, it needs to stand for something not against things, that’s been something I’ve believed all the way back to the 70s and the old rock against racism days. It’s a long way back for English nationalism to lose that image.
In the nicest and friendliest way possible, that is utter bollocks. :-)This has been completely obvious for 4 years
If a decision to leave the EU had been what was required to get Corbyn into Downing St - the vast majority of the ardent Remainers on here would have been instantly ardent Leavers
Think about what that means.Of course it does, if someone puts being Irish first above British then don't be surprised if someone English puts themselves above being British.
Well, there is a difference if you want to maintain the UK.Talking about the EU here, we didn't colonise the EU or European countries. The point I am making is in context of the discussion about how English nationalism is sneered at and other nationalistic citizens of other countries get a fist pump.
Why?
That is just simply wrong
Most such comments on here have been clearly that if Remain had won the referendum then we would have done no such thing
I can only think of Farage making that comment - he has nothing to do with these threads
IMO - You should man-up and get on with your life - you should certainly stop hoping for bad news for the UK
Think about what that means.
Why? Seriously? The English colonised the other parts of the UK, by force.Talking about the EU here, we didn't colonise the EU or European countries. The point I am making is in context of the discussion about how English nationalism is sneered at and other nationalistic citizens of other countries get a fist pump.
Why?
Well, there is a difference if you want to maintain the UK.
Agreed you didn't colonize the EU, you joined voluntarily and are leaving voluntarily. You are leaving as Britain & UK.
Catalonian nationalism wants out of Spain and in the EU
Irish nationalism wants out of UK and into Ireland and the EU.
Scottish nationalism wants out of UK and in the EU.
This isn't a criticism by the way, but what exactly does English nationalism want and is it maintainable?
Obviously but there was a strong positive message to counteract that with an emphasis on positive Irish and Scottish traditions and identity, even if it was only riverdance , or pipers and haggis to counter the negative side. England doesn't really push that positive image of itself.I never mentioned the flag bud.
But the IRA misappropriating the Irish flag is that still thought of as bad? And what about the sectarians in Scotland misappropriating the Scottish flag? Now I am not advocating the EDL or the BNP bastards, but I am making a point.
I never mentioned the flag bud.
But the IRA misappropriating the Irish flag is that still thought of as bad? And what about the sectarians in Scotland misappropriating the Scottish flag? Now I am not advocating the EDL or the BNP bastards, but I am making a point.
Obviously but there was a strong positive message to counteract that with an emphasis on positive Irish and Scottish traditions and identity, even if it was only riverdance , or pipers and haggis to counter the negative side. England doesn't really push that positive image of itself.
Football has a lot to answer for here. When you think of British fans in their national shirt with their national flags running a mock on foreign streets
or standing on a terrace doing nazi salutes, which flag and fans springs to mind English , Scottish, Welsh or N. irish.
No way am I saying this is typical of most people proud to be English, I’m explaining why English nationalism has negative connotations the other 3 nations don’t suffer from.
I can assure you it isn't.In the nicest and friendliest way possible, that is utter bollocks. :-)
What it means or what it points to is England standing alone as a nation.It means nothing other than what it means, it explains nothing about how nationalists are viewed.
Missing the point you wanted to know why English nationalism was sneered at . i explained why I thought, you’re the only one bringing terrorists into it.When we are putting English football hooligans on a par with the IRA we're doing it wrong bud ;)
What it means or what it points to is England standing alone as a nation.
That is the break up of the UK.
I personally don't view that any different to anyone else's nationalism. Good luck to you.
But admit it is , what it is.
I agree with you. But who has done that?When we are putting English football hooligans on a par with the IRA we're doing it wrong bud ;)
Not any educated person's view either - you've been watching too many "orrible 'istories"Why? Seriously? The English colonised the other parts of the UK, by force.
Not everyone's view of course:
https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/scottish-independence-essay-say-no-to-colony-myth-1-3500221
Not a fan of Kuenssberg but I did lol. It’s been hell of a ride :)
‘When it comes to likely Brexit deal, we've gone from 'exact same benefits', to 'frictionless trade', to some friction, to now a choice btw Canada style deal OR what govt is calling Australia deal which is not a deal, but WTO arrangement with tariffs and the Irish protocol’ @bbc
Didn’t Canada take 15 years ?From what I have seen Australia has no free trade deal with the EU does it? I do know its a lot further away from us that the EU.
edit - they have opened negotiations - May 2018 and still not concluded yet we are going to get one done in 9 months?