UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

Don't forget I'm also David Conn's ghostwriter.

Have you got a link to your interview with Cheesy please?

 

[Man_City_Loyal]

Can you take anyone serious who tweets this, after what this shitstain of a club has done throughout the years and still does.

Is it April fools?

 

[Renneronline]

There are yet too many variables to consider whilst waiting for any outcome that CAS may come up with.

All I can see on the surface is that UEFA for their own purposes, have seemingly singled out City as a pariah and in doing so have made what I believe to be a monumental blunder in siding on the course of 'discipline' that they have.

Sometimes individuals and groups get so infuriated and frustrated over certain events that they set in motion a series of calamitous and unreasonable responses to the smallest perceived 'affront'. A common sense approach would be to have called a meeting asking for City's bottom line, for them to say 'sorry', here's a few bob for the charity box...and a promise to never be evil again. But no, they've lost it, lost their composure, lost their sense of even-handedness, of even, reality.

The guy in Portugal may have been acting on his own singular crusade and off-loading his harvest to the lowest principled media outlet he could find, but somehow, I doubt it. A hacker tends to have deep issues over something known as 'morals' borne from a cesspit of incomplete information and carries headlong into creating as much havoc as they can, a hacker's life is driven purely by ego, and their ego is as brittle and as thin as an eggshell, as any person's or organisation's is, even more so. This guy is in deep with authorities, some of their ire will stick on him, but with regard to his actions over City...nothing? It could have been an inside job? Who knows...

Doesn't matter, we, City, from a UEFA's perspective, on the surface, had got away with 'hoodwinking' a bunch of cast iron rules, put into place by them who sees themselves as THE custodians of the game. They are sole custodians of Truth and Honesty, indeed, of 'Fair Play' in all things football. UEFA see the email trail as something close and akin to treason. And that they were going to deal with these pariahs, 'interlopers', in such a way that it will forever deter anyone else from even thinking of breaking their precious commandments that make up the new religion/creed that is FFP.

They have gone where none have gone before with their punishment on the vile underhanded owners of a club hated by many loved by few.

For me, now that they've decided to look into accounts that they have already poured over before, is just further indication that their ire hasn't yet been quelled. They want more than blood from a stone they want the whole body consumed and cast aside, 'How dare they or ANYONE undermine US, the keepers of all things 'right'.

It is clear City's arrival on the scene has stirred a nest, it's even clearer that their rapid growth has stoked the flames of fury even higher. The problem as we all know with emotions, they can often lead us down a road unforeseen...UEFA rather than acting out of impulse to a perceived act of deception should have really stepped back from the brink they've created for themselves.

I believe that City know how angry they've made them, they've been complicit in fuelling the fire by going to CAS BEFORE there was any results of further 'investigations'. Knowing full well they were pouring still more oil on a raging organisation all out to engulf them.

Whatever the outcome, it will not be the final outcome that UEFA envisaged. Their grip on the future of football in Europe and heading it is very precarious, their tantrum may see them yet have no grip at all...all they'd needed to have done is to have seen 'common sense', they didn't because they can't and never have, they are to be obeyed as their creed demands...

City, will never die, it will never crumble, it has a base of fans who have known what real life can do, kick you when you're down and then rubs salt into the wounds, but a Sergio moment washes it all away ..still yet they follow the blue, because of our own history is mixed in with our club and we face together and go through whatever challenges and glories that may happen...our owners seem to be as bloody minded as their supporters can be... have even shown a streak of, shall I say, 'dubious' humour-'? Why else go to CAS before proceedings began- wind 'em further? whether they like it or not we are part of them, they will fight the cause...our cause...because we all are forever blue, forever City.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

My big question will CAS be okay with how Uefa opened the new case against us after the Der Spiegel promoting the hacked/stolen emails?

I dont think CAS had any similar case regarding Uefa/FFP earlier that had hacked/stolen data as proof or become a basis of an investigation at least I dont remember one.

That is the very first thing our expensive legal team has to explore imo.

I think the argument around the fact of the emails being stolen is a red herring personally. The context of the emails having been referred to by UEFA might not be, but that is a separate argument, and I don’t see the fruit of the poisonous tree doctrine applying here. Also, from a reputational point of view, it would be the worst line of argument to succeed on, as it would be widely viewed as escaping on a technicality, so I personally think it’s the very last thing our ‘legal team’ (utterly wank expression btw) should be exploring, not least because it’s common ground between the parties that the emails were stolen. What is there to explore?

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

Can you take anyone serious who tweets this, after what this shitstain of a club has done throughout the years and still does.

It's a pity we don't see the rest of the picture. Is it a picture to show this poor man's Gerson scoring or is someone's head just about to 'kop' a few studs in the ear after said Anfield hero has watch a video of Kuyt in the Mersey derby of yesteryear.

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

Did we leak this to Martin Blackburn?

The huge UEFA cloud hovering over Manchester City has a £369 million Silver Lake lining. The US investment firm paid that sum for a 10% share in the CFG. All cash has been paid up front and gone straight into CFG coffers – rather than Sheikh Mansour’s pocket. [@SunMartinB]

I dont get this, SL investment is not an income for Man City on the books is it?

It doesnt do anything for us in terms of balancing our books in case of CL ban.

Sounds like we have planted that story and we are sticking two fingers up to the world by saying where it has gone.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Don't forget I'm also David Conn's ghostwriter.

It must be hard having to dumb down like that, mate.

 

[Gazza]

Can you take anyone serious who tweets this, after what this shitstain of a club has done throughout the years and still does.

Winter's next topic;- "Peter Sutcliffe was never the villain he was portrayed to be"

 

[John Wayne]

Was it wise then not to take Ceferin's deal? The down side is enormous. Tempting to think that City must be very confident CAS will rule in our favour.

Good point. City must have been absolutely certain of their position to refuse the olive branch offered by Ceferin. It is hardly surprising that the media analysis has not focused on this development as an indication of our alleged innocence but that doesn't mean it is any less relevant.

A lot has been said about the fact that UEFA went from offering a token fine to a seismic punishment. I fully expect City to argue that this demonstrates the arbitrary and unstructured nature of the UEFA disciplinary process, that it indeed is not fair and it is open to outside influences. The AC has been described as "semi-independent" but that is not "independent" and fatally undermines any claims that we have had a fair hearing.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Winter's next topic;- "Peter Sutcliffe was never the villain he was portrayed to be"

There’s no need to bring murderers into this subject...

 

[sir baconface]

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...nvestigation-into-abu-dhabi-sponsors-football

This is our friend Conn’s latest article.

He argues that UEFA were duped about Etihad being able to fund the sponsorship deal. He alleges that, in the event, Sheikh Monsour covered the debt.

Consequently, according to Conn, Etihad should now be treated as a ”related party” and the fair value of the sponsorship subjected to scrutiny.

If re-valued downwards, that would affect our accounts on an ongoing basis, not just up to 2016. He’s raising this as a new spectre.

In effect it’s a slightly re-packaged frightener on his part, not based on new evidence or revelations.

That’s my take FWIW.

 

[TheRemainsOfTheDave]

Watched the interview with Ian Cheeseman and Prestwich blue and the gist of it was that CAS can't overturn the decision but can mediate a lesser punishment, or have I got the wrong end of the stick?

Yes, wrong end of the stick. After everyone has had their say, CAS declare their recommendation - uphold, reduce or complete overturn. I guess UEFA could choose to ignore it but that wouldn't look good in the inevitable legal cases that follow.

That's how I see it anyway.

 

[feedmpenzaandhewillscore]

Can you take anyone serious who tweets this, after what this shitstain of a club has done throughout the years and still does.

Yes like inventing an imaginary stadium to get round financial fair play and hacking a rivals intellectual property.

Not hard to fact check that to debunk that article.

 

[SiMCFC]

Who knows. Wheneveryyou go into court it's head to pedict the outcome. Who thought OJ Simpson would walk free?

I think we have a reasonably strong case on procedural grounds alone but whether that will be enough for City I dont know, as people will see it merely as getting off on a technicality. They may want to go onto the front foot and take the fight further.

Quietly hoping they want to take it all the way, Colin, one question that keeps coming to me and I am sure at some point I have seen it mentioned in an official document of some sort is, if we take any on any 'legal' battle with UEFA does that mean we cannot participate in any of their comps at the time? I could be making that up but i'm bloody sure i've read it somewhere in the past.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Watched the interview with Ian Cheeseman and Prestwich blue and the gist of it was that CAS can't overturn the decision but can mediate a lesser punishment, or have I got the wrong end of the stick?

Yes. They can uphold the decision fully, reject it fully or uphold it in part but send it back to UEFA with a recommendation about the sanction or some other aspect.

 

[Centurions]

Henry Winter wrote this in January last year when the dippers were 7 points clear and just before City beat them.

Every supporter should celebrate if Liverpool triumph

Most of the article is hidden behind the Times' paywall but the title of the article tells you everything you need to kow.

It's almost entirely about their off field, non-football related, community actions. There's nothing particular you could disagree with, and most of the comparisons are done using Arsenal as an example (we barely get a mention except in terms of the league chase, in which he turned out to be prophetic).

For those not in the know you can sign up and get free access to an article or two every month. There doesn't appear to be a limit on how many accounts you can set up either.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

It must be hard having to dumb down like that, mate.

It is. I feel I'm living a lie.

 

[mexico1970]

Thanks for the clarification bud, I watched the video on my phone when the grandkids were playing in the living room so my concentration wasn't at its best.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

It is. I feel I'm living a lie.

You’ll know better than me, of course, but having read Richer than God, and observed his machinations and poorly constructed arguments over the last few days, I think he’s either pitifully naive, a bit dim, or possibly both.

 

[KS55]

you would be mad to send your evidence to UEFA an organisation that leaks like a sieve, it would be all over the press in hours !

You're probably right, but we need to present evidence to CAS which means UEFA will get it too. In any investigation of a quasi legal issue, you have to present evidence. If you can't rely on confidentiality being kept, what do you do?