UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[kaz7]

Pep Guardiola: "We cannot change what people think. I know how hard we work. I am so proud of how hard we've worked. No one helped us outside, we did it day by day, game by game. This is not finished, not over, we appeal as a club and we see what happens."

Pep Guardiola on whether he has had messages of support from football regarding the ongoing FFP situation: "No."

 

[oakiecokie]

somethings happened

Still needs a good slap.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

But don't you understand mate? Asking a manager immediately after they've won a trophy of he accepts bungs is just 'reporting on an issue' and is definately a 'civil' thing to ask in those circumstances, despite their being no foundation or evidence to warrant this question, whatsoever. I'm sure that when Harris asked this question, he fully intended to report on it from 'multiple perspectives' and with 'context'.

Either that, or he's a prick.

 

[kaz7]

What does he expect? He is dealing with football fans not a political debate with students of Oxford or Cambridge. Many fan's are as emotionally attached to their clubs as their family and if someone keeps on sneering, belittling and disrespecting them, while many will, respond back verbally a few will want to hand out a bloody nose.

Legally none of us can condone violence but I bet even the mildest City fan wouldn't secretly think well done if one of those cockroaches got a slap.

This,we are a knowledable fan base more than able to take them on

I do think we should have code names for them on here so they can't search for their names and have a wank,a mass pm with code names

 

[kaz7]

They've changed back to the City have no fans, struggling to sell Wembley tickets etc. From one attack to another, there is no end to these fuckers relentless attacks.

Y ou don't help,your posts are as bad as they are

 

[Parisian]

Exactly. @Parisian has been a fantastic poster on here. Like us, he defends his club but has also backed it up with a lot of factual information that many of us weren’t previously aware of. I don’t know how factual that article of Panja’s is about PSG but what I do know is that I remember reading it last summer and seeing a glaring mistake in the first few sentences - PSG did not buy Neymar and Mbappe in the same sunmer transfer window. They bought Neymar and loaned Mbappe who they bought the following summer. Whether that was a genuine mistake by Panja or a deliberate one to make PSG look worse, only he can answer.

Thank you a lot.

Yeah, i see everyone saying Leterme agreed with PSG valuation but there is no one able to tell you the actual number. I come with articles, graphs showing numbers but i'm still waiting for people to prove their claims with the damn number. Panja, himself, isn't able to show anything. Quite troubling. People think PSG didn't get any sanction but in my book PSG got an huge financial sanction : They remove 51 M€ of our revenue stream per annum according to L'Equipe. In a 3 years cycle, it is a 150 M€ financial sanction. It is a gigantic financial hole. And that LFC supporter working at Octagon is actually thinking the same way:


About Panja, he is actually right about Neymar and Mbappé being purchased the same year though. It is not a mistake by him. At least when it comes to FFP. UEFA FFP decided that the clause inserted in the contract to make it a permanent transfer was not fit for a loan with option to buy : Mbappé transfer would be permanent if PSG wasn't relegated. As a consequence, Mbappé was put into the FFP books the same year as Neymar.

The only reason Mbappé was loaned out was to allow Monaco to get the money the following year and because PSG had already paid Neymar cash.

What the article written by Panja doesn't tell you in order to misguide you is that the period covered by the investigation of PSG account was for the years before Neymar and Mbappé even considered to come to PSG (3 year cycle). They tried to make us fail FFP for the 3 year period when we had not even bought those players for 400 M. This is why they wanted us to terminate QTA (which we did), so that we would have no other choice but sell Neymar or Mbappé.

Thankfully, the strategy of buying those superstars to raise the brand and find new non related party sponsors paid off. I see the same with City and Etihad for example. It was used to kickstart the project and now City is looking for a new sponsor who will provide 60 M+. I think it is highly probable because Puma pays the same sort of money that Nike is paying us. There is no reason City can't replace Etihad for a lucrative deal.

I'm confident for City because i can't imagine FFP and the lobby behind it winning this fight. Would be a terrible proof of protectionism in this sport.

To add further more information about PSG and FFP, the french club is still at the limits of the boundaries currently with both Neymar and Mbappé on its account. Neymar (222) and Mbappé (135) are worth 72 M per annum without their wages. Neymar is on additional 60 M wage annually and i don't remember Mbappé but at around 20 M+. To validate their FFP, PSG needs to go in quarters or semi finals or they'll have to sell some fringe players or find a new sponsor to balance the book.

 

[Claytop]

Nick Harris? Is he the one who lied about having a video of Rabin when all that was kicking off?

There’s literally so many of these pathetic people it’s hard keeping up!

 

[Parisian]

Did PSG get banned for a couple of years ?

No. PSG got a their sponsors devalued as it is written in UEFA rules. PSG complied and balanced the book by selling players. PSG was threatened with a ban if they had failed to comply.

The difference with City is that your sponsors have been devaluated retroactively AFTER the period investigated was over. Which means you didn't have the chance to balance your books which is unfair in my opinion. And you have the other charge of non cooperation.

 

[blueju]

I am going to repost my plea from last week, as I think it is still very relevant.

Rob Harris is absolutely being disingenuous (well, lying, really) with his remarks implying he has simply brought balanced reporting to the fray, and he may very well be falsely insinuating that he has caught inappropriate abuse for his obvious anti-City reporting. But this is still an important reminder that it is never an acceptable response to threaten or abuse the reporter. And doing so just plays in to his hands — allowing him to further call City supporters “toxic” and “vile” and use the instances of abuse as examples.

I know every blue is incensed by the vitriol, hypocrisy, and rampant dishonesty of the many pundits, reporters, “journalists”, and talking heads commenting on UEFA’s ruling and City in general, including attacking supporters directly.

I am also disgusted by the extent and ferocity of it — the Harris twins, Delaney, Conn, and a few others have been especially bad since the announcement.

But let’s not lower ourselves to their incriminations and play in to their desired narrative by advocating violence toward those people or their property, or threatening them on social media. It’s obviously not going to be allowed on the forum (or those platforms, as it’ll eventually be reported) but, much more importantly, it is not right and is certainly not the way to show the world that the press’ venomous attacks on us and the club should be denounced and repudiated.

We can discuss whether the club has been a “soft touch” when it comes to handing the media, or if we as supporters should be more vociferous with our defence of the club and rebukes of many “journalists” that are most blindingly critical of City, without succumbing to the more base, juvenile, entirely counterproductive, and plainly wrong methods of showing our disgust.

Let’s show them that they can’t manipulate us in to being the sort of supporters they want the world to think we are.

We *are* City, after all, and we are some of the best supporters the world has ever seen — let’s show everyone why during this challenging time, without violence or unnecessary aggression.

Don’t give them what they want, especially Nick and Rob. Let’s starve them of ammunition, not act as their their supply line.

He’s making out it’s just this week’s media that’s got everyone’s back up, has he airbrushed the last decade out of his tiny mind?

 

[paulchapo]

This,we are a knowledable fan base more than able to take them on

I do think we should have code names for them on here so they can't search for their names and have a wank,a mass pm with code names

Ha ha they'd soon suss it out.

 

[razman]

 

[Marvin]

Thank you a lot.

Yeah, i see everyone saying Leterme agreed with PSG valuation but there is no one able to tell you the actual number. I come with articles, graphs showing numbers but i'm still waiting for people to prove their claims with the damn number. Panja, himself, isn't able to show anything. Quite troubling. People think PSG didn't get any sanction but in my book PSG got an huge financial sanction : They remove 51 M€ of our revenue stream per annum according to L'Equipe. In a 3 years cycle, it is a 150 M€ financial sanction. It is a gigantic financial hole. And that LFC supporter working at Octagon is actually thinking the same way:


About Panja, he is actually right about Neymar and Mbappé being purchased the same year though. It is not a mistake by him. At least when it comes to FFP. UEFA FFP decided that the clause inserted in the contract to make it a permanent transfer was not fit for a loan with option to buy : Mbappé transfer would be permanent if PSG wasn't relegated. As a consequence, Mbappé was put into the FFP books the same year as Neymar.

The only reason Mbappé was loaned out was to allow Monaco to get the money the following year and because PSG had already paid Neymar cash.

What the article written by Panja doesn't tell you in order to misguide you is that the period covered by the investigation of PSG account was for the years before Neymar and Mbappé even considered to come to PSG (3 year cycle). They tried to make us fail FFP for the 3 year period when we had not even bought those players for 400 M. This is why they wanted us to terminate QTA (which we did), so that we would have no other choice but sell Neymar or Mbappé.

Thankfully, the strategy of buying those superstars to raise the brand and find new non related party sponsors paid off. I see the same with City and Etihad for example. It was used to kickstart the project and now City is looking for a new sponsor who will provide 60 M+. I think it is highly probable because Puma pays the same sort of money that Nike is paying us. There is no reason City can't replace Etihad for a lucrative deal.

I'm confident for City because i can't imagine FFP and the lobby behind it winning this fight. Would be a terrible proof of protectionism in this sport.

To add further more information about PSG and FFP, the french club is still at the limits of the boundaries currently with both Neymar and Mbappé on its account. Neymar (222) and Mbappé (135) are worth 72 M per annum without their wages. Neymar is on additional 60 M wage annually and i don't remember Mbappé but at around 20 M+. To validate their FFP, PSG needs to go in quarters or semi finals or they'll have to sell some fringe players or find a new sponsor to balance the book.

Unfortunately the CAS review is not a review of protectionism and a verdict on FFP but more a review of the evidence, the rules, and the investigative process.

You only have to listen to the British football media to see that this is not an investigation but a witch-hunt.

I am a little worried for City that CAS may go into it sharing some of prejudices that others do. The elites in the Western world love to give the Arab Sheikh a bloody nose. It's a populist argument but benefits a small group of powerful clubs.

The plus for me is that City seem to have turned down an offer of a minor UEFA sanction. Did they do that because they knew that CAS would rule in our favour? I hope so.

 

[johnevans]

This made me look up the number since I didn't want it to be exaggerated, but it turns out it was actually 85. He has to do one before and after each game and we played 42 games between 8th November when the Mancini story dropped and The FA Cup final (where he also didn't ask before the game).

Good research, well put.. I attach below the 'Five Core Principals of Journalism' outlined by the UK charity/organisation 'The Ethical Journalism Network' which, I am sure, Harris, Conn et al aspire to follow in their day-to-day work. I look forward to seeing them on BlueMoon Forum confirming their utmost commitment to these principles, especially with regard to the current matter at hand between City and those lovable ragamuffins at UEFA. Just as I anticipate yet another day of sunshine here in Camelot, where the rain may only ever fall after sundown and the morning fog must disappear by 8am..

Five Core Principles of Journalism
1. Truth and Accuracy
Journalists cannot always guarantee ‘truth’, but getting the facts right is the cardinal principle of journalism. We should always strive for accuracy, give all the relevant facts we have and ensure that they have been checked. When we cannot corroborate information we should say so.

2. Independence
Journalists must be independent voices; we should not act, formally or informally, on behalf of special interests whether political, corporate or cultural. We should declare to our editors – or the audience – any of our political affiliations, financial arrangements or other personal information that might constitute a conflict of interest.

3. Fairness and Impartiality
Most stories have at least two sides. While there is no obligation to present every side in every piece, stories should be balanced and add context. Objectivity is not always possible, and may not always be desirable (in the face for example of brutality or inhumanity), but impartial reporting builds trust and confidence.

4. Humanity
Journalists should do no harm. What we publish or broadcast may be hurtful, but we should be aware of the impact of our words and images on the lives of others.

5. Accountability
A sure sign of professionalism and responsible journalism is the ability to hold ourselves accountable. When we commit errors we must correct them and our expressions of regret must be sincere not cynical. We listen to the concerns of our audience. We may not change what readers write or say but we will always provide remedies when we are unfair.

 

[TheThirdDeano]

I don’t think rob harris has been shown his arse as much as it’s been shown to him.

**** deserves nothing other than hatred though so fuck him

 

[Grassland Blue]

It certainly would be helpful if the vast majority of fans of other clubs spoke against us for 29 seconds or less. ;-)

Just a minute...

 

[Pablo ZZZ Peroni]

Pannick to represent us?

Hope so.

 

[The Stockport Iniesta]

Times like this you find who your real friends are. I imagine a few will be getting crossed off Peps Xmas card list.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Uefa will undoubtedly still be trying to avoid this going to CAS.

Between now and July, I expect another cowardly offer.

CAS are big on mediation.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Pannick to represent us?

Hope so.

Pannick on the streets of London!

 

[razman]

u all were right about simon ! but his point - with regards to our reputation IS correct.

That's why its important , that city are completely cleared !!